the DirecTV channel lineup update thread.

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Willh, Dec 21, 2017.

  1. Apr 3, 2019 #181 of 258
    dtv757

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    Good info , I dont watch OTA too often but just found out my market (Norfolk) has hillsong 21.2 and hero's and icons 43.3 !

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    It's not removed from the lineup yet, but 1699 UFC On Demand was discontinued with all content expiring on March 31st because of ESPN+ getting the exclusive UFC PPV rights starting April 1st. UFC PPVs are also no longer available to residential subscribers on both satellite and cable, they will still be available in the 9500s to commercial subscribers who have a public viewing deal with the UFC.
     
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    On May 19th CNN International will be added to the lineup, I don't have a channel number yet.
     
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    Hopefully in HD since AT&T owns CNN/ Turner now..... Fubo.TV carries CNN International in HD and it looks very good.
     
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    Maybe 203?
     
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    That's because Fubo is using the online streaming TV Everywhere feeds for most of their channels. As of right now, the North American feed for cable and satellite providers is still letterboxed SD only. The same goes for Telemundo's national feed, where the TV Everywhere East and West feeds stream in HD, but the East and West feed for cable and sat providers is still SD only.

    (And since people are going to ask, no, for numerous technical reasons, they can't use the streaming feeds on satellite and cable)
     
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    Could it be technically available in HD on DirecTV Now (since that's streaming) ?
     
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    The question is why aren't the national feeds in HD?
     
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    Probably because Telemundo already has OTA affiliates in the majority of markets with a significant hispanic population, so most of the national feed's cable carriage is limited to smaller markets as part of a bare bones SD only Spanish/Latino tier made up of channels that most other areas would have as part of their base packages.

    The problem is that a bunch of Telemundo's OTA affiliates in cities like DC are Class A stations which, thanks to how the rules are written, satellite providers don't have to carry them as locals, and they can't claim must carry status like full power stations can.
     
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    I wish Telemundo would add a national HD feed

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    ...I will take it step further and add... And it wasn't hidden in the Spanish package. It's a broadcast network. I could be really out there and say that I wish CNN Español (ch 419) was also in the English package but now we're out of control.

    Azteca and Estrella could come to the English packages, too - some (many if you consider the population of the DMAs) have them as locals but many don't have them at all. I guess they don't hide sports on there much. Telemundo is much more important.

    Like Kyl mentioned for Telemundo, the same thing happens to Azteca and Estrella for local coverage on satellite. Many of their affiliates are LP and not on satellite. I don't know if their national feeds are available in HD but we don't have them available in HD on Directv.

    I don't understand MegaTV. They are sort of a local from the Miami market, WSBS. Directv carries it in HD nationwide. Some markets have MegaTV as a subchannel but not many. Why does everyone have Univision and Unimas in HD nationwide on Directv? Is it their way of reaching everyone with a quasi-DNS national feed that their local affiliates just have to deal with? Does anyone think they will ever have the same rules as the English networks with the DNS and nonsense? (I wish it was this way with the English networks... a master feed of CBS, Fox, etc that a local affiliate can NEVER mess up with tickers and hyped up weather warnings. A place to safely record your shows. East and west coast feed.)

    -Dream post over. But there are questions hidden in there...
     
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    Great points, totally agree !

    Here's some info which may help explain why there is still no HD national feed for Telemundo:

    A few years ago when Telemundo converted their sister cable network Mun2 to NBC Universo, the new cable network (NBC Universo) was immediately available and carried widely in HD. At the time I was friendly with Telemundo's research director here in Miami and I called her to ask why the Telemundo satellite feed was also not added in HD as NBC Universo had been. She explained that this was an internal political struggle between the Station Group and the Network. The Station guys had been wanting for years for Telemundo to kill the national feeds because they saw them as siphoning off their local ratings in the local markets while the Network guys only cared about their national ratings and national sales which of course the national feeds contributed to. The Station Group apparently was strong enough to get the NBC Universal research team to back them up as to the issue of ratings erosion caused by the national feed. But the Network guys, including my friend, argued successfully that if they killed the national feeds then Univision would gain a significant ratings advantage on a national scale if Telemundo went dark in all the DMA's without a local Telemundo affiliate. To break the impasse a compromise was reached to let the national feeds continue but not provide them in HD and to only give HD "exclusivity" to the stations in order to force viewers in local markets to select the local affiliate over the network signal. The Network researchers had argued and failed with stressing that Univision provided their national feeds in HD and did not worry about their local ratings impact. The compromise deal was so strong that not even Comcast (which owns Telemundo) could carry a national HD feed of their own network.

    This information is a few years old and my friend has since retired so I don't know if the same discussions are still taking place at Telemundo. But as of now it appears that the Station Group's myopic view has won out over the Network's perspective on this issue. It's a real shame because Telemundo is a top-notch broadcast network with high quality content all-around. It most definitely deserves to be available widely (not just in Latino packages) and in HD everywhere.
     
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    I'd suggest a "carry national HD in markets with no Telemundo affiliate" deal. Delivering to unserved markets wouldn't hurt the "station group".

    And as for putting Spanish channels in the English packages ... would that not raise rates for every subscriber?
     
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    I would like to see Japanese channels in a national HD market.

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    I thought there were a few channels in the 2000s range that were free and HD?? I dont check too often but thought I saw some one day

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    2040 TV Japan HD is only free during newscasts and news events like memorial ceremonies, with live English dubbing on select newscasts. The rest of the time during entertainment and sports programming it's a $25 international premium. Other cable providers who carry it charge about the same amount for it, but not all systems participate in the free during news thing.
     
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    As I remember, the blacking out of a national HD signal in local markets was discussed but the distribution guys came back saying some large providers did not want to break up the Latino packages by market. Plus they (NBC) did not want to lose the national feed's license fees in the local DMA's where it would be blacked out. In essence they wanted to keep double dipping against the retransmission consent fees they were already getting from their stations' carriage.

    But I do agree with you that this would be the most sensible solution if they did not want to mirror Univision's HD distribution model.

    As for Spanish-language channels in English packages I'm only referring to one network, Telemundo, due to its large national viewership and broad content appeal, and not to any other Spanish network. As it is now, the top Spanish-language networks are already in English-language packages: Univision, Galavision, UniMas, Univision Deportes, NBC Universo. Telemundo is the only major one missing. And in over 70 DMA's there are numerous Spanish-language local stations in the basic English-language packages, many charging retransmission consent fees.

    So as it is, most DTV and DISH subscribers are already paying for Telemundo through the fees being paid for the local affiliates. But I would agree with you that there should not be a separate additional fee for the national network in the local markets where we already pay for them.
     
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    Not to go off topic but MegaTV was noted here, I don't know if it's my eyes or what but they seem to have one of the best HD picture quality on the whole DIRECTV lineup.
     
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    If it were not for the ownership by NBC I doubt DIRECTV or DISH would be paying for Telemundo locals. They would be carried as "must carry" locals, not "consent to carry" locals that can charge. But with their ties to NBC (and often NBC affiliates) I can see where the locals could choose "consent to carry" and negotiate with their big brother major network stations for carriage.
     
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    Spanish/other channels now available without any add-on package:
    (Locals, if any. For me I have Univision, Unimas, and Telemundo, all in HD. Some markets have Azteca, Estrella TV, and independents, too.)
    402: Univision east HD (Spanish)
    404: Galavision HD
    408: Unimas west HD
    410: Universo HD
    447: Once
    448: Enlace
    456: ESNE
    461: HITN
    464: Univision Deportes Network HD
    2040: TV Japan HD (Newscasts only, already explained by Kyl) (Japanese)
    2053/2119: China Global Television Network (English)
    2068: INC TV (Not sure!)
    2095: Arirang (Usually English, occasionally Korean with English captions.)
    2183: MHz Worldview (usually English, some content in various languages with English captions.)
    (Of course, you need a reverse band dish or 119/95 to see them all. I just have 119. Some are on the regular 3 LNB of course...
    I guess you can count 321: Russia Today America in this group, too, if you want.)

    What would CNN Español hurt? I did say that was a wish and I was out on control for wishing it.

    I am worried am going to lose my Telemundo. Currently, WNEU is full power but based in NH. It is Telemundo primary with NBC Boston as a subchannel. In Boston, WBTS-LD repeats it all with NBC Boston as a primary and Telemundo as a subchannel. So we have both WNEU Telemundo and WBTS NBC on Directv in the Boston market (they do carry some LPs, usually just big-4 networks like this case. When I lived in NC, they carried WTNC-LP Unimas, too.... anyway....) At some point in the future, they are just moving it all to Boston and WBTS-LD is moving to the Providence market and will be something else. What then?

    I agree about the MegaTV PQ comment... I haven't seen it in a while, since the last time it was on free preview (so, years), but I remember thinking the same thing. It was really stunning.
     
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