The end of temporary service address changes.

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  1. joshjr

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    Last few times it came up it was understood that there are lots of orphan counties in the US with this same issue. They always sweep it under the rug. I need to know if my stats representative will be on the committee or if I need to be speaking with someone else who dont care about me. Either way, I will make my call and will also watch any and all hearings. They are super interesting. The NAB always says there isnt a problem, DNS isnt needed and the government should stay out. Then like DirecTV or Dish will talk and say it was another record year for blackouts so yes we need government intervention.

    I remember last time someone asked the NAB how they could be for the radio stations not paying the artists for their work but that if DNS was going to be in play they needed so much money for re-transmission consent. The NAB is a piece of ****! They dont care if your market does not offer a CBS affiliate. They still dont want you getting CBS. Guess they think you should pay for it online. Straight greed if you ask me. These hearings are so interesting though. They have had Disney, DirecTV, Dish, NAB, Movie companies. Its always someone else with a different perspective. I cant wait!
     
  2. slice1900

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    Since Directv has 12 unserved DMAs they need DNS more than Dish who AFAIK serves all 212 DMAs and covers their edges with their wider spot beams better than Directv.
     
  3. ejbvt

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    The orphan counties in Vermont got the Vermont locals added to the satellite lineups in the two counties in VT that are part of other DMAs (Boston and Albany) many years ago. I do not know the details of how it happened, but it seems like something that would have to be addressed by a state senator or a congressperson.
     
  4. James Long

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    I believe it was. Buried in the law are vague references to specific situations where a station or stations gets added carriage.

    DISH getting permission to have distants again was one of the clauses added ... with the requirement that DISH offer carriage (subject to the usual negotiations and refusals) to every station in every market by a certain date in order to restore their ability to carry distants. DISH complied and now uses the distants part of the law to fill in networks in markets that do not have an affiliate (their choice of distant - whatever is available on a spot beam covering the area).

    The whole thing should be redone but getting major changes is near impossible. It isn't about serving the customers (constituents) as much as it is about serving the corporations. At least they should level the playing field between satellite and cable and stop defining satellite markets by county (refusing carriage to local channels receivable over the air just because they are on the wrong side of the county line). Plus the fees charged by some stations are too high.

    If I had all the power locals would be carried under a statutory license similar to the payments for distant stations with all stations eligible for carriage and no station having the ability to refuse to be carried. Locals would include every station that reaches a community OTA (regardless of "DMA") plus every station within the DMA. I'm not sure if that would help all the orphans but I'd be willing to expand carriage in areas with no in state stations (unless it was shown that out of state local stations were providing adequate coverage of in state issues). Getting every channel that could be received OTA would fix the "no in state stations" problem in my area.
     
  5. cpalmer2k

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    Here in SC we have a lot of orphan county situations. I actually live in a zip code that is part of two markets because it technically spans the fringes of another county. The part of town I live in is part of the Greenville/Spartanburg SC DMA and we get those stations even though geographically their towers are 45-65 miles away. The other part of town is in the Charlotte, NC DMA and gets those locals (the farthest Charlotte station is 45 miles away from my location by comparison, and their CBS, NBC, FOX and an ABC translator are only 28 miles away). While the Charlotte stations do a good job of covering the SC portions of their market they still have no in state stations (besides SC ETV) on DirecTV or Dish). Back in the "old" days our local cable carried nearly all of those Charlotte stations. Today they still carry WSOC and WBTV, but only in SD. What really sucks is where I am we only get Fox Sports South and Fox Sports Southeast, but those on the opposite side get those, PLUS MASN and Fox Sports Cincinnati!

    I agree 100% James- I think if your zip code gets the channel OTA you should have the ability to receive it via DirecTV/Dish even if it is an option that you have to pay extra for.

    Last time this whole thing came up the NAB didn't oppose renewing DNS, they just opposed the rule changes that ended up being dropped from the bill (again!) before it was passed at the last minute.
     
  6. joshjr

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    The way it works is that any provider is able to offer an out of market local in your area that is considered Significantly Viewed for your zip code. That information is kept by the FCC. You can look up every single zip in the US to see what stations are considered Significantly Viewed in your area. What complicates things is that its not just as simple as turning on a neighboring DMA's channel for a DMA as not all zip codes in that DMA may qualify for the channel. The clause in the law says that Significantly Viewed stations are not subject to blackout restrictions for duplicate programming either. Usually a Significantly Viewed channel is one that you could get with an antenna anyways. So in my area there are 3 that qualify from in state. I worked on all 3 and was able to convince 2 of them to do a deal with DirecTV and we get their channels now. Thats one provider and one zip that is covered and could change at any time. I want something more long term for all providers and for all Orphan counties as well. So my work is not done here. I will be pushing for this again since the law comes up again late this year. Plan to start pushing on it after the government crap gets settled here and every gets back to work.
     
  7. joshjr

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    This is the problem in my area. I am closer to the 2 states channels I dont live in and while they tell you they provide us with adequate coverage its simply not true. a year or two ago my town was under a tornado warning. The sirens were going off and they cut in for 30 seconds for an update and back to live programming which was Wheel of Fortune. Thank god I had the Tulsa channels we get which are in state. They had been covering for hours and continued to cover when it left their area and made it into ours. Made a huge difference. We have had several near by tornados in the last few years. Joplin was one of them.
     
  8. joshjr

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    Call it what you want, they always say they dont need assistance from the government and even though there is an increased number of blackouts every year their current procedure works just fine and it dont matter that the customers suffer. Everything works great the way it is. I also heard that one NAB rep say that they didnt think it was that important for someone in a market where there was no CBS to be able to get one. Thats pretty shitty. Cant stand the NAB and their narrow view. Im sure its all about money. Remember they are for the radio stations not having to pay the artests for their songs they play but are all for gouging customers to pay for locals! That tells you everything you need to know about the NAB!
     
  9. slice1900

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    NAB is an association of broadcasters, who pay for their existence. Of course they going to favor broadcasters and not consumers. It is a lot easier to organize a few thousand broadcasters and get them to kick in fees to pay for an organization to advocate for them then it is to organize a hundred million consumers and get them to pay (even if it was only $1 each their lobbying power would dwarf that of NAB) for an organization to advocate for them.
     
  10. joshjr

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    Oh I get it, I just dont have to like it. They ignore the problems here to make a buck and I have a huge issue with that!
     
  11. James Long

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    CBS, as a member of the NAB, would likely disagree. They want people to be able to watch their network. They do want to be compensated for the delivery. Statutory rates are likely not high enough for CBS.

    CBS as a network has the government/court given right to distribute their programming as they see fit. They have chosen to do so primarily through a network of affiliates who have paid CBS for the rights to first air the network content within their defined coverage areas.

    I believe access to the public airwaves for broadcasting should include granting permission for rebroadcast under a statutory license as explained in my post above. Unfortunately I'm still not in charge.
     
  12. joshjr

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    Understood and agree. The fee though for a out of market signal being imported in should be substantially lower as they are typically not reaching that customer with their advertising anyways. If it was reasonable, I think the significantly viewed would be used more often.
     
  13. cpalmer2k

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    From the agreements I've seen stations are typically paid half for "out of market" viewers by DirecTV/Dish. A few years ago a few of our local stations accidentally put unredacted copies of their retransmission agreements in their FCC public files. If their regular rate was 1.00 per customer for someone in the DMA it specified they were paid 50 cents for an out of market or "significantly viewed" subscriber. I think that is why we see so few SV stations on DirecTV- it is an added expense they don't want to pay.

    On that point I know you mentioned that significantly viewed stations weren't supposed to be subjected to blackout. Based on previous forum posts isn't it true in most cases that DirecTV only adds SV stations in SD though and not in HD to discourage viewers from choosing them over their real locals? I seem to remember reading in the past that in most of the places the SV stations are only available in SD, not in HD. That is the case here where I am even on cable. We get NC PBS and out of market ABC & CBS affiliates on cable, but all of them are standard definition only.
     
  14. joshjr

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    Not in my case. They added KOTV and KTUL from Tulsa and they are in HD. They are part of the Tulsa DMA and I am in the Joplin/Pittsburg DMA.
     
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    It depends on the market, the channel, the county, etc. Most SV is SD only, but there are exceptions. If the market you are getting SV from is HD-only, well, there's no SD to give you so you get HD. That's my case. Others, like in areas of VA that get 3 Greensboro locals SV got WGHP and WXII (maybe WFMY, too) as SV got them in HD. No idea why. The VA, Raleigh, and Charlotte channels in the Greensboro market that are SV in various counties are SD only. The same channels that were HD SV in VA are SD SV in the NC counties in the Raleigh market. Also, areas in CT that get a few NYC locals got them in HD randomly a little while back after having them in SD SV for a long time. Joshjr just mentioned Tulsa in the Joplin DMA.
     
  16. DirectMan

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    I upgraded my system to a HR-54 from HR-24 in November but have not been transferred to the ATT billing system as of yet. Therefore I do not believe that merely upgrading your system will precipitate a transfer to ATT as was mentioned earlier in this thread.
     
  17. b4pjoe

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    I was migrated to AT&T before I upgraded to 4K.
     
  18. grover517

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    OR...they are having so many issues with the new system that they suspended the transition and only new accounts are being added to the new system? As with everything else, ATT's actions make little to no sense and no way to find out what is actually happening.

    I read in another thread about ATT admitting that there were numerous issues with the new system and that they were seeking to hire another company to fix all the issues so that in one sense could support the suspension of migrating accounts for the time being as well. All speculation but these days, what isn't in regards to what is happening.
     
  19. trh

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    My account with DIRECTV (since 1998), was converted to AT&T two weeks ago. As were a number of other long-time users here. See "Heads up" thread.
     
  20. grover517

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    Well, so much for that theory! LOL
     

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