Wow.
A keeper.
A keeper.
Yeah, that's what I had heard too. Bacon committing to 15 episodes is a bit different from FOX committing to air 15 episodes though.Hoosier205 said:The only thing I have found is that Bacon committed to 15 episodes.
http://m.deadline.com/2012/05/fox-picks-up-comedy-ned-fox-is-my-manny-to-series/
I agree. That's simply the workload he agreed to. FOX can pull the plug anytime they wish.RunnerFL;3180073 said:Yeah, that's what I had heard too. Bacon committing to 15 episodes is a bit different from FOX committing to air 15 episodes though.
I absolutely, positively guarantee that it does not constitute a promise by NBC.Supramom2000 said:I'm not saying that constitutes a "promise" by NBC
That is how Fox has been advertising it on air. Their commercials, at least as part of the ad blitz in the beginning, were to air the episodes non-stop. IIRC, the commercials were saying something like it would broadcast non-stop until April.RunnerFL said:Ahhh, another one of your "facts". You're the one who brought it up, you use Google to find it.TomCat said:Not sure. That is what I understand is pledged by them, along with the intent (whatever that means) to air them on 15 weeks without a break. I think Kevin Bacon also mentioned this in his The Daily Show interview, but memory sometimes doesn't serve, so no guarantee there either.
But there is this new thing called Google that might lead you to a clue. Give that a try.
But I am not the one who is so worried about this; that would be you. I stopped watching 2 weeks ago. Just to get you up to date, that means I D O N' T C A R E.RunnerFL said:Ahhh, another one of your "facts". You're the one who brought it up, you use Google to find it.
What you originally wrote sure doesn't seem like you were talking about a rumor or something you heard. Seems like you were stating a fact.TomCat said:And I am not sure why you are having so much difficulty understanding the difference between what is rumored and what is fact. This is W H A T - I - H E A R D, and nothing else, and I never represented it as anything more than that.
I guess the "pretty much" is your loophole?TomCat said:We are pretty much guaranteed by FOX that 15 eps will air.
Oh, I'm not worried. I just don't appreciate someone thread crapping with "facts" that they aren't willing to back up. You DID state it as if it was written in stone so we have every right to ask for proof. The phrase "what I hear" was not in your statement of guarantee.TomCat said:But I am not the one who is so worried about this; that would be you. I stopped watching 2 weeks ago. Just to get you up to date, that means I D O N' T C A R E.
And I am not sure why you are having so much difficulty understanding the difference between what is rumored and what is fact. This is W H A T - I - H E A R D, and nothing else, and I never represented it as anything more than that. I was trying to help answer your question by telling you what I heard. What part of that is the part you don't get? When something is a fact, I will claim it as a fact. When it isn't, I don't, and I didn't. Sue me.
If you stopped watching maybe it's time you stop thread crapping too.TomCat said:It sounds like you are basing your investment in the ratings; as if cancelling it would mean that you wasted time watching the first eps. We are pretty much guaranteed by FOX that 15 eps will air.
Yeah it'll be interesting to see how they develop the story because there's only so much you can do with it. This would've been better as a movie...Galaxie6411 said:Liked this weeks show but getting a bit tired of the characters being surprised every time a family member or friend/coworker either gets taken hostage or murdered. Goes along with how many times can the cops be betrayed either by one of their own or a "victim" before they wake up. Glad they are rerunning during the weekend because my timer missed 2 weeks ago.
My wife and I are probably done too. Same reason. We stopped with Criminal Minds also, too dark for us. I remember the reason I stopped watching Law & Order as it seemed the criminals were always getting off on some technicality and I ended up feeling disgusted. All well done shows mind you, just not my cup of tea.Supramom2000 said:Well you just articulated my feelings- that I hadn't quite defined yet!! I think I am done with it after last night. Mostly because of just what you said. The only thing I would add is that as a viewer I need some sort of reward. Something hopeful or at the very least the possibility of some small victory.
Last night was too dark and awful for me. I see no light at the end of the tunnel.
Exactly. Now you're getting it.spartanstew said:...I guess the "pretty much" is your loophole?.
Of course, "in the future", unless you can figure out how to post "in the past". But as much as I appreciate you lecturing me on how you interpret the rules as they apply to everyone else, I will continue to ignore your advice and do whatever the eff I feel like doing. Deal. Comprehension is only partly my responsibility; the reader has to meet me half way and summon up the basic understanding ability that even the pointiest-headed little trolls regularly seem to be able to come up with.In the future, if you'd like others to understand what you mean, it might be better to state "I've heard FOX is committed to airing 15 episodes", or something of that nature...
I still haven't found anything to suggest that, "We are pretty much guaranteed by FOX that 15 eps will air." I will keep looking however.TomCat;3179816 said:We are pretty much guaranteed by FOX that 15 eps will air.
Well, maybe I can help you out a little bit, but don't excoriate me if my information isn't perfect, OK?Hoosier205 said:I still haven't found anything to suggest that, "We are pretty much guaranteed by FOX that 15 eps will air." I will keep looking however.
Kevin Bacon said 15 episodes were planned because 15 episodes is what he agreed to film per season. Still, I am looking for something more along the lines of an actual or implied guarantee. Every network plans for a new series to succeed, but it is something else entirely to guarantee that an entire first season will air.TomCat;3182115 said:Well, maybe I can help you out a little bit, but don't excoriate me if my information isn't perfect, OK?
IIRC, during the intro to the first ep, I think that is what the announcer said, along with the phrase "over the next 14 weeks", or something to that effect. And I interpret that as "pretty much a guarantee" that this is their intent. They sort of went out on that limb. Also, Kevin Bacon may have also mentioned this in his The Daily Show interview; he definitely said 15 eps were planned. I read a lot of stuff; it might have come from Zap2it, or USA Today, or Flipboard, or any number of other sources. No one pays me to keep track.
I also don't have a photographic memory, but that is what I recall, and that is why I tried to add that to the conversation. After all, why would I have imagined that? What would I have to gain by saying something that I DID NOT hear?
But here's a secret: it might just not be the way things play out.
Not at all Galaxie, but when you state something most people will wonder where you heard it. Tom's just known for spouting off without following up with anything, just like he did here. Here's the chain of events:Galaxie6411 said:Wow. Yes before the first Ep. Fox made it a point in the ad to say they are running all 15 episodes straight through. I took note because of so many shows that break the seasons in half with several month breaks and die accordingly and found it funny that Fox was making it a point that they weren't going to do the same.
With the sniping internet age you just about have to put IMO, AFAIK or IIRC before everything to cover your ass from someone incessantly calling you out on everything you are saying as apparently being fact.
See, that's the statement that he made.TomCat said:We are pretty much guaranteed by FOX that 15 eps will air.
Runner asked a simple question.RunnerFL said:Where is this guarantee stated?
And that was Tom's reply. He makes a statement (as fact), then claims it was something he heard, but still has no idea where he heard it.TomCat said:Not sure.
He is asked again.Hoosier205 said:I still haven't found anything to suggest that, "We are pretty much guaranteed by FOX that 15 eps will air." I will keep looking however.
And there we finally have it. A reply he could have made after he was first asked, but instead he subjects everyone to 4 or 5 more diatribes over the course of several days blaming all the readers for not being able to figure out for ourselves where he picked up that nugget of (supposed) knowledge.TomCat said:IIRC, during the intro to the first ep, I think that is what the announcer said,
You interpreted incorrectly. In no way is that them saying that they will air every episode. That is them saying they've planned 15 episodes and feel hopeful that all will air. In NO WAY is that a guarantee.TomCat said:IIRC, during the intro to the first ep, I think that is what the announcer said, along with the phrase "over the next 14 weeks", or something to that effect. And I interpret that as "pretty much a guarantee" that this is their intent.
RunnerFL said:You interpreted incorrectly. In no way is that them saying that they will air every episode. That is them saying they've planned 15 episodes and feel hopeful that all will air. In NO WAY is that a guarantee.
At this point, I feel comfortable we'll see all the episodes. As I noted in the ratings thread it appears that the demo audience is holding at about 85% of the premier and Fox simply doesn't care about the fact that the 50+ audience is down a third. It's demo last night was higher than "Bones."renbutler said:Anyway, the overnight ratings rebounded nicely on 2/18:
1/21: 3.1
1/28: 3.3
2/04: 2.9
2/11: 2.4
2/18: 2.8
It was up 55% over Alcatraz the same week last year.