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The Grammys: What has happened to music??? (explicit)

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by Lord Vader, Dec 7, 2010.

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  1. Dec 8, 2010 #41 of 117
    SayWhat?

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    Huh?? Whu'd you say there sonny??? Dagnabbed hearin' contraption's goin' on the fritz ag'in.
     
  2. Dec 8, 2010 #42 of 117
    greatwhitenorth

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    Yes, record companies do have influence, but that's because the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences (NARAS) are the voters. Who are the members? Record company employees, artists, songwriters, singers, promoters, namely all music insiders. As far as actual corruption, I've never heard of any scandal, however, you can usually guess the winners by looking at sales figures and headcounts of the major labels. Yeah, they're biased, but they ain't the BBB!:lol:

    As far as "good" music goes, you're right, the Grammy's tend to reward popular music, as opposed to music that pushes the boundaries and advances the art. But that's always been the nature of all art, "popular" does not always equal "good".
     
  3. Dec 8, 2010 #43 of 117
    Nick

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    You are a witness to history: the crumbling of the very foundations of civilized society.

    As a fervent defender of the English language, I am deeply saddened that it has come to this. Profanity and gutter-language have always been around but mostly in smoke-filled back-rooms, or when in public, usually uttered with a modicum of discretion. But somewhere along the way between then and now, things changed.

    Today, we live in a world where foul-mouthed thuggz and millionaire gangsta wannabees are revered and rewarded for their potty mouth. Seems the only things standing between us and total cultural oblivion are our mothers and the FCC.

    Can decency long survive in a world where there are no limits to what God-awful, foul-mouth filth can be uttered in public?
    TV is a perfect example of that.
     
  4. Dec 8, 2010 #44 of 117
    jdh8668

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    Why does it hurt when I pee???
    It jumped right up, and grabbed my meat!

    Zappa's "Dynamo Hum"
    Dynamo Hum, Dynamo Hum, 30 bucks and I'll make you cum.

    But let us not forget Zappa's "Billy the Mountain's" final chorus
    Remember
    A mountain is something you don't want to F**k with...

    Yes those are lyrics you wouldn't want to sing around your mother, but back then, they never made top 40 radio either. Although I did slip Dynamo Hum on one night on a alternative radio station I was working at back in the late 70's. My brother had been grabbing some beer at a grocery store, and they had my station playing in the background. He called me from a pay phone, laughing hysterically. I guess other customers in the store were discussing among themselves "did I hear what I thought I just heard?"
     
  5. Dec 8, 2010 #45 of 117
    MysteryMan

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    I'm with you and Vader on this one Nick. But unfortunately it's falling on deaf ears. :(
     
  6. Dec 8, 2010 #46 of 117
    SayWhat?

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    The FCC can't even do much since the Supreme Court stripped a lot of their authority to regulate content.

    Mothers? Ha! Remember that a lot of the foul mouthed girls today will be the mothers of tomorrow.
     
  7. Dec 8, 2010 #47 of 117
    RunnerFL

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    The F word is not "innately vile and completely unacceptable" to me.
     
  8. Dec 8, 2010 #48 of 117
    Stewart Vernon

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    I don't disagree with some of the sentiment...

    But I have to ask...

    Why was it worth mentioning that "all the performers were black"?

    That sounds like you are not only trying to make a statement about vulgarity BUT also to imply that being black = vulgar.

    It seems odd, given you are complaining about the "n" word being offensive and at the same time yourself are taking swipe at black people by automatically associating them with vulgarity. Some would argue that part of your post was in itself vulgar.

    Meanwhile... on the topic of language itself.

    Our language is constantly evolving. Words change meaning too... Words that were innocuous 30 years ago are sometimes vulgar today and vice-versa.

    That "f" word that set you off so much? It has an older Anglo-Saxon meaning of "to hit"... which is arguably not vulgar at all. When did it change to a sexual reference? I don't know. Also, when used as a curse word, it often has nothing to do with sex at all.

    Gay, in a previous generation, meant happy frolicking, but has a dual meaning in modern times. Similarly, you will still find many British people referring to a cigarette as a "fag" and some still use it to mean "being tired out."

    Context is everything in language.

    In our PC world today, some black people find being called "black" offensive even... and prefer something else (African-American in some cases)... so you really can't start a rant about offensive language without being very careful on opening the door.

    I remember a couple of Rolling Stones songs that had outright cursing in them, and another that had a very clear reference to something sexual and a dead person. That last one gets played on the radio still today without edit.

    I'm not necessarily defending vulgar language... but I'm not outright condemning it either.

    One might even argue that a family forum is not the place to be discussing vulgarity :)
     
  9. Dec 8, 2010 #49 of 117
    Hoosier205

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    No, I think we all know what is really going on now. You aren't simply offering your opinion anymore.
     
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    BubblePuppy

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    Back in the "better more pure tvland fantasy days" Lucy and Desi slept in separate beds....today husbands and wives sleep in the same bed.....what a descent into hell tv and society has fallen. :D
     
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    trainman

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    I definitely like "F*ck You" the best of the songs nominated for Song of the Year -- it has a sound similar to classic '70s R&B, a genre I enjoy.

    But my tastes for current music tend to run toward indie/alternative, so I was happy to see Arcade Fire's "The Suburbs" get a nomination for Album of the Year. (Not to mention They Might Be Giants getting a Children's Album nomination for "Here Comes Science.")
     
  12. Dec 8, 2010 #52 of 117
    SayWhat?

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    Which I find a bit confusing since they're not all necessarily of African descent unless you want to go back thousands of years. And I'm not sure it would hold even then.


    And Rob & Laura. So, where DID little Rickie come from? :p
     
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    sigma1914

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    I love it's old school doo-wop style, too. Here's the censored version for those who don't want to hear the "innately vile and completely unacceptable" F word. :rolleyes::lol:

    [YOUTUBE]bKxodgpyGec[/YOUTUBE]
     
  14. Dec 8, 2010 #54 of 117
    BubblePuppy

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    From the cabbage patch or the stork, of course. Sex was invented by those horrible hippies. :lol:
     
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    SayWhat?

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    Don't forget that The Doors weren't supposed to use the offensive word 'higher' in their performance on Ed Sullivan.
     
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    sigma1914

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    Yeah, but that dirty hippy Morrison did it anyway! That was "the crumbling of the very foundations of civilized society." ;)
     
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    paulman182

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    Ed Sullivan forced the Rolling Stones to sing "Let's Spend Some Time Together" instead of "Let's Spend the Ni**t Together."

    Rock and popular music has always pushed the envelope of acceptability.

    The target audience loves it and those outside of the target are often shocked. That's part of the intended effect.
     
  18. Dec 8, 2010 #58 of 117
    paulman182

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    It's less confusing if you just make it a practice to call people what they want to be called, regardless of how appropriate you think it might be.
     
  19. Dec 8, 2010 #59 of 117
    SayWhat?

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    But if you were about to address a group of darker skinned people you hadn't previously met and hadn't heard speak, how would you know they would prefer to be called African-American and not Haitian?
     
  20. Dec 8, 2010 #60 of 117
    paulman182

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    If you must verbally categorize them, I suppose you are on your own. Does that really happen very often?

    I don't think many Haitian-Americans would bristle at being called African-Americans, though.
     
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