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Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by Lord Vader, Dec 7, 2010.
Rape, murder are acceptable to some, yet they're still wrong. Period.
Hmmm. That's an odd comparison. Someone uses a word in a song you need not listen to and their action is wrong, like commiting rape and murder? But after reading this, I can understand why you may think that.
I find it hard to listen to the radio these days, but for me it is an overall lack of quality with "popular" music these days. An F-word, or N-word is not going to offend me; what offends me is "artists" with little to no talent flooding the airwaves. I remember when rap used to be about more than fornicating and bling. Public Enemy used a lot more Fs and Ns in their lyrics, but they had something important to say.
Andy Rooney once said "I am sick of 'Political Correctness'. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa, so how can they be African-Americans? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I'm a European-American because my great great great great great great grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America nowhere else. And if you don't like my point of view, tough"......The man's got a point.
This is Black culture language designed to shock and outrage, it creates an instant "us" vs "them" culture war between the "cool" people and the "uptight" White folks. It's designed to exclude, not include. The 4-letter words are quite intentional. They are literally trying to p*** off older Whites, that's the point. They are selling an angry, macho attitude to young White boys, aka "whiggers". Insecure poser playah wannabees. They make the majority of their money off that group.
At a certain point, our society either has to say "enough", or just all start dressing like pimps and ho's and going to Tyler Perry movies.
The Grammys truly do represent a window into the soul of a deeply troubled and morally ambivalent society in the process of collapse. Enjoy the ride, it's all downhill from here.
You people can sugar coat it all you want but what Lord Vader said in his opening post is true. What the Grammys are now calling music is a aberration. Plain and simple. A decaying of our moral fabric. Honestly, do you think this garbage will withstand the test of time as with the music of previous generations? Do you really envision a "oldies revival" for this stuff twenty, thirty years from now? And for those who have stated that the old generation always protests the music of the new generation this is true. But until now there was a common denominator. Regardless of their ethnic backgrounds the generations all sang of being in love and being happy. The only difference was the beat and tempo used. For those of you who still try to pass this crap off as music there's a old saying. "Don't pi$$ down my back and tell me it's raining"!
I can't argue. Today's 'music' is pure garbage. It's either gangbanger trash or pre-processed and mechanized, sort of like Velveeta cheese. Even what passes for Country today is nonsense.
There is no artistry any more. The company tells the performer what to play, how to play it and what to wear. The days of the true musicians and artists may be gone forever. I'm talking about people like Oscar Peterson, Herbie Hancock, John Lennon, Neil Young, Jimi Hendrix and so so many others. The Taylor Swifts of today may sell tracks, but they will never compare to Johnny Cash or Chet Atkins or Patsy Cline.
I don't even discuss the gang trash that some call 'music'. It's an insult to civilization.
And then there's Justin Bieber.
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Don't go there.
Thing is, our parents griped about The Stones, Black Sabbath, Mettalica, Steppenwolf and The Who to name just a few. Yeah, they were loud, raucus and raunchy, but they had talent. THEY created their own music and sound. You could see that they were actually playing the music in live performances and not just strumming in time with a recorded playback. Listen to some old Stevie Nicks or Janis Joplin; you can hear it in their voices. You know it's live -- there is no doubt. Then look at Spears and try to compare. You won't be able to.
Just because you don't like something does not make it garbage. Many considered the Beatles to be garbage but that's obviously not the case.
Not everything can be as brilliant as "Louie Louie" and "Splish Splash I was Taking a Bath".
But yet many African Americans belong to an organization called the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Go figure
:beatdeadhorse: Yeah, this conversation has never happened in the past....
I spent 12 years as a Top 40 disc jockey, and have followed music all my life. Here's what I've learned: 80% of everything on the radio, no matter what the genre is garbage that will be forgotten in a couple years. 20% will stand the test of time and be remebered. Comparing Taylor Swift to Patsy Cline is a bit unfair, but if you compare Jennifer Nettles to Patsy Cline, then the comparison becomes a bit easier (okay, Patsy still comes out on top).
But the bigger picture here is words. We are talking about words. Words by themselves don't hurt, it's the intent behind them. Words don't injure people, actions do. As far as the end of civilization goes, I think it's going to take more than an "F-bomb" or two to take us down. Just a little perspective here.
That format, along with the proliferation of Morning Morons are among the main reasons I stopped listening to radio so many years ago. A handful of songs played 80 times a day does not make good radio.
First, you're so out of touch with reality of this & very racist. The "whiggers" are not the ones buying it up. It's middle & upper class white boys AND girls. Take a trip through a white suburban high school parking lot. Those kids are playing this music. They aren't dressed as pimps & hoes...they're in Hollister, A&F, Ralph Lauren, etc. Go to any predominantly white college bar or frat party & you'll see & hear the same.
Second, I think you're clueless about Tyler Perry movies & his relationship to black culture. Many in the black community feel he portrays blacks very stereotypically & as a modern day "blackface."
Back to language, it looks like Richard Pryor won a couple of Grammys, but I don't know if it was for routines containing his more infamous words or not.
"Many" or "some"? Just how "many" do you speak for? Like it's never been done before. It's called entertainment, and take a guess who's watching.
And music is entertainment, but a few of you think it's ruining society.
Many I know don't like Perry's work. Sorry Mr. Semantics.
And my parents couldn't understand my musical taste in the early 50s. I heard my first jazz at a stage show at North Texas State Teachers College. That would be University of North Texas to you youngsters :lol: Every Saturday night several of we 9th graders would pony up our quarter for the stage show. Anyway, The Aces were a jazz trio out of the One O'clock Lab Band. Hooked me for life.
I do listen to some blues, rock and country (when my lil wife of 52 years is in the car) but I prefer jazz, big band and classical. One of the reasons, if not the main reason is that I prefer instrumentals. Vocals can intrude on my thoughts. And I like me and enjoy listening to my thoughts :lol: And I have my Modern Jazz Quartet station playing on Pandora as I make my morning visit to all the forums and blogs I frequent.
My sons all have varied musical tastes also. But in music as anything else I say whatever blows your skirt up.
No, it's not irrelevant. You made the generalization that the F word was "innately vile and completely unacceptable" for everyone. That's not the case.
It's only a word! Relax!
Fight the power!