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The great DECA MOCA Debate Debacle

Discussion in 'DIRECTV - H24/HR24 Field Trial (private)' started by Doug Brott, Feb 9, 2010.

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  1. Feb 10, 2010 #61 of 270
    veryoldschool

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    Sorry, but I'm not on "your page" here.
    You could connect the STB with ethernet or coax. Each is doing the same thing.
    If you connect the ethernet cable, doesn't this turn off the DECA/coax network?
    We need to write this for "Joe Sixpack" and not Dr. xxx.
     
  2. Feb 10, 2010 #62 of 270
    Spanky_Partain

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    I have confirmed using DECA modules to the cloud and the HR24-500 connected using the default 169.xxx.xxx.xxx IP network addresses without a DECA module uplink to the home.
     
  3. Feb 10, 2010 #63 of 270
    smiddy

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    169.254.xxx.xxx address are usually hard coded per unit...they will not check to see if someone else is using that IP, it runs the risk of two STBs having the same IP.
     
  4. Feb 10, 2010 #64 of 270
    Mike Bertelson

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    No matter what we choose to say there will be criticism.

    Or, is it part of the decoder/processor in which case what standards is it compliant with? According to the press release on NXP’s website (and some of the other links in that thread) it’s actually based on MoCA...my head hurts. :nono:

    I find myself asking...

    • What standards did DirecTV base networking over the coax via SWiM?
    • Is there separate hardware internal to the Hx24’s that amount to a DirecTV Ethernet Coaxial Adapter?
    • Is the functionality the same chipsets that provide the STB/DVR functionality and not separate hardware...i.e. not an adapter?
    • Did DirecTV create their own coaxial networking protocol or is it based on MoCA?
    • If, and this is a big one for me, DECA is built in then how come we need a DirecTV Ethernet Coaxial Adapter to connect to the home network/internet.
    Mike
     
  5. Feb 10, 2010 #65 of 270
    carl6

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    At the end of the graphics it states channel change were done by entering 3 digits then hitting select. In my case it was entering 3 digits and then pressing ENTER (not select). I never even tried using select, does that work also?
     
  6. Feb 10, 2010 #66 of 270
    Stuart Sweet

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    I can tell you two things.

    (1) I don't think there is actually an internal DECA. It seems more like the system natively speaks the networking protocol over coax.

    (2) the networking protocol is based on MoCA but it is specific to DIRECTV.
     
  7. Feb 10, 2010 #67 of 270
    Sixto

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    Network via Coax
    Home Networking via Coax

    Network: Coax connected (on setup screen)

    All seems to make sense. :)
     
  8. Feb 10, 2010 #68 of 270
    veryoldschool

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    "My thoughts"
     
  9. Feb 10, 2010 #69 of 270
    Mike Bertelson

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    That works.

    But, can you say it has DECA built in and then still need a DirecTV Ethernet Coaxial Adapter to get to the home network/internet.

    Mike
     
  10. Feb 10, 2010 #70 of 270
    smiddy

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    I like these, but I think DIRECTV might want to capture their name in there somewhere.
     
  11. Feb 10, 2010 #71 of 270
    carl6

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    As to all the DECA MOCA talk, I think DECA is the word to use, and nowhere should "MOCA" appear.

    How you want to describe DECA doesn't really matter. "Built in DECA" or "DECA compatible" to me say pretty much the same thing. Built in DECA is more in line with Built in BBC, which was used in the HR23 document.
     
  12. Feb 10, 2010 #72 of 270
    LameLefty

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    Middle...
    NERDFIGHT! :D

    I think we may need Stuart to see if Directv wants to make the call on this issue. Because each position has pluses and minuses, and the point above is dead-right: whatever we collectively decide on will be criticized. :grin:
     
  13. Feb 10, 2010 #73 of 270
    smiddy

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    VOS, I concur however, this is not supposed to be a dissertation. It needs to be simple. I think Sixto's inputs are (more) valid. I only think that DIRECTV will want to put their name on it somehow, which goes back to what I typed earlier, "we should ask DIRECTV."
     
  14. Feb 10, 2010 #74 of 270
    Mike Bertelson

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    IMHO, you can't say it's built in and then say you need the external adapter.

    Mike
     
  15. Feb 10, 2010 #75 of 270
    smiddy

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    :sure: Sorry! :sure:
     
  16. Feb 10, 2010 #76 of 270
    houskamp

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    Even an external deca (like one on a HR21) has that same requirement.. so I don't see your point..
     
  17. Feb 10, 2010 #77 of 270
    smiddy

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    I agree!
     
  18. Feb 10, 2010 #78 of 270
    smiddy

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    I gotta run, man this is good stuff guys (I hope no hard feelings are being taken). I'm sure we'll figure this out. :)
     
  19. Feb 10, 2010 #79 of 270
    veryoldschool

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    You're just wrong.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  20. Feb 10, 2010 #80 of 270
    veryoldschool

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    [Dumb Blonde mode]

    Blonde: what are you doing?

    Installer: I'm putting these adapters on your receivers for networking.

    Blonde: OK, but why aren't you putting one on this one?

    Installer: Because it already has one inside.

    Blonde: OK, can I now get cable? :lol:
     
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