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The great OTA debate

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by gcisko, Oct 18, 2007.

Do you want/need OTA

  1. YES

    0 vote(s)
  2. NO - I am good to go

    449 vote(s)
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  1. bhelton71

    bhelton71 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '09

    Mar 7, 2007
    We currently get ABC,NBC, and Fox as MPEG4 from sat. But our CBS is owned by LIN so we need OTA. After the analog shut-off 'maybe' LIN will play nice .
  2. waynebtx

    waynebtx Hall Of Fame

    Dec 24, 2006
    Need it dony get my locals in hd on D* yet DMA 129
  3. 911medic

    911medic Godfather

    Aug 28, 2006
    I think that is where some of the sensitivity on this matter springs from: the concern that the HR20 will be "deemphasized," and eventually phased out completely. I know, everyone with firsthand knowledge is stating that it's not in the plan, but it seems a logical evolution.

    The other factor that I think is raising people's ire is the repeated contention by some in this thread (and others) that it's silly for us to want OTA:
    "Why would we want it? The sat channels are just as good!" IMO, this is true, unless it's raining. In fact, if weather's not an issue, I'd say they're even better than OTA, since the PQ is the same (again, IMO) and the compression takes up less HD space.
    "I have both, and don't use OTA (so why would anyone else)!" Riiiight.
    And my personal favorite,
    "Rain fade? It's a non-issue, because if it's raining that hard, you should be in the basement!" Please. Thanks, mom.

    I'm all for product differentiation and choices, and I have nothing against D* wanting to save $$$ on equipment manufacturing. I really don't. And if it turns out that continued availability of receivers with OTA capability isn't a problem, great. Then this thread is a waste of everyone's time.

    Until then, I'm going to continue to use and enjoy my OTA, and hope for the best.
  4. bakers12

    bakers12 ΔS > 0

    May 29, 2007
    Chicago -...
    I need OTA because I'm a geek with no life. :D
  5. 911medic

    911medic Godfather

    Aug 28, 2006
    Well, there is that, too. :D
  6. philslc

    philslc Legend

    Dec 2, 2006
    I'm away from home with my HR20. Far out of the foot print for my local HD networks. I'm getting HD networks from the Phoenix OTA stations. Without OTA, I would not be able to get the networks. :(
  7. DarkAudit

    DarkAudit Godfather

    Sep 10, 2007
    Yes. The only way I can get PBS in HD is via OTA. And with a secondary market set at that. :(
  8. Coffey77

    Coffey77 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

    Nov 12, 2006
    I'm with the group that really doesn't "need" it but I like having it. Not sure where to vote on this one. If I had a choice to have it or not - I'd have it. :)
  9. jpercia

    jpercia AllStar

    Jan 10, 2007
  10. Que

    Que Icon

    Apr 15, 2006

    OTA is the king of HD!

    Do you want/need OTA
    This poll will close on 10-22-07 at 01:19 PM
    YES 242 81.21%
    NO - I am good to go 56 18.79%
    Voters: 298.
  11. funhouse69

    funhouse69 Icon

    Mar 26, 2007
    Got to have it especially when more than half the OTA Channels I get D* doesn't carry and probably never will. Not to mentioned all of the PBS Sub Channels.

    The fact that I can record all of these gems on my HR20 is a bonus and a half. I'm sad to see that the new receiver doesn't have OTA Capabilities.
  12. gcisko

    gcisko I am Iron Man!

    Sep 27, 2006
    What really burns me is that D* was charging for HD way before they really had it available. Their website also used to say that you could get your locals in HD if you use OTA. The impression was it was through them. Now recently (a year ago) HD locals was through the SAT. I would watch the local channel HD far more than the Discovery Home Theater or TNT-HD or Universal. ANd as I understand it the HD we had been paying for is the latter. Now that they are adding all these channels I feel I am now starting to get what I had been paying for. I feel the way it was presented in the past leaves that odor you refer to :)

    But hey on the up side, it is all good now :grin:
  13. gcisko

    gcisko I am Iron Man!

    Sep 27, 2006
    Yep. Like I said do the math - so far. The fact that you keep posting these little snide remarks tells me you are on the side that is loosing this argument. I Never figured you to be that kind of guy. But hey whatever. :(
  14. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Tough to lose a non-argument.

    The point is that this poll is meanless in terms of the market conditions today. I have OTA units and non-OTA units, so consider myself neutral on the subject. But there's nothing wrong with posting the votes either.
  15. gcisko

    gcisko I am Iron Man!

    Sep 27, 2006
    Excuse me, but your comments and little jibes do not seem neutral to me. They seem anti-OTA.
  16. Tiebmbr

    Tiebmbr Godfather

    Mar 27, 2007
    ...well it appears to me as though with hdtvfan, one thing he's not a fan of is PBS in HD.:rolleyes:
  17. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Then you misinterpreted them.

    I've stated that I've had OTA for 9 years, but personally find little reason to use it. That's just me. There's nothing wrong with OTA itself....the only issue I have is that its not as popular or widespread as some here would like everyone to think. There are also plenty of parts of the country where it is very poorly executed by local stations for many reasons.

    One example Is PBS, in that their funding is inadequate in many places and they simply can't afford to do a quality upgrade of equipment, or in some cases, any upgrade at all.

    My glass is not half full or half empty - its completely full - 1/2 air, 1/2 water....meaning...I see things they way they are, not how some think they see them (good or bad).

    Your miles may vary. Enjoy your OTA if you like it - nothing wrong with that at all.
  18. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

    Jun 18, 2006
    I feel much the same way, hdtv. I am glad to have OTA, especially for PBS or sporting events but if my living room HR20 died and I got an HR21 I would shrug, mention it occasionally, and move on with my life. I'm lucky to have 5 HD locals.
  19. TaeOh

    TaeOh AllStar

    Jan 26, 2007
    If Rainfade is an issue, which it seems to be occurring more with HD for me, then OTA is a nice alternative.

    I would not want an HR21 because of not having the ability to record OTA. I get 3 more HD channels locally than D* supplies through HD locals and record quite a bit off of PBS.

    The quality of my local signal has had me consider dropping Sat/Cble and just getting a Tivo to record OTA. 75% of what I record is availabe OTA anyway. I am really only tied to D* for Sunday Ticket.

    And I agree that the OTA picture is noticeably better than the HD locals D* provides, loss of detail is very noticeable with Heroes on my 1080P set. Once I pick up a better OTA antenna, I will likely move all my local channel recording to OTA. At least I think it is the Antenna and not the HR20 that makes my signal not as reliable as SAT during nice weather. I could be wrong though, because sometimes I lose my local signal on the HR20, but switch to my TV's built in tuner and everything is fine. This is another reason a standalone TiVo became a thought.
  20. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    No problem with that .. It makes sense to voice your concerns now when it is more likely to have an affect. Still, all indications I've seen are that the HR20 will be around and available for some time ..

    Hopefully I'm not one of those people. I may suggest alternate methods, but hopefully I haven't put anyone down for their preferences. As a note, rain fade really is zero problem for me. I do realize that I'm an exception to the rule, but I virtually NEVER get rain fade here in Northern California. The weather here is great most of the time and we rarely get enough rainfall to block out the signal. I'm sure that that is not the case universally, though.
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