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The GREEN Thread

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Nick, May 4, 2009.

  1. Jun 10, 2009 #81 of 125
    BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    Please repeat that when you put your teeth in.

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  2. Jun 10, 2009 #82 of 125
    jclewter79

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    And what happens when the temp gets up to 110 or so? People die. Sure am glad you don't have any pull to make these things happen. Then again, it is nice to live in a state that has its own power grid. We deregulated and don't have blackouts. Heck, we produce more wind power than any other state.
     
  3. Jun 10, 2009 #83 of 125
    SayWhat?

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    Until about 20 or 30 years ago, residential A/C was the exception, not the rule. People have lived in hot climates for hundreds of years without it. You just find other ways to keep cool.
     
  4. Jun 10, 2009 #84 of 125
    bobukcat

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    The average life expectancy has significantly increased in the last 30 years, you turn off the A/C for older people or those already suffering from illness and you will kill people.
     
  5. Jun 10, 2009 #85 of 125
    jclewter79

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    What is the hottest it gets there in Lost where you live? The only thing that would happen if a seperate meter was required for the AC is people would be putting 110v window units in that they could plug into the wall when the air gets cut off. The answer to the problem is not to cut off the AC, it is to produce more clean renewable energy such as wind, hydro, and solar.
     
  6. Jun 10, 2009 #86 of 125
    Chris Blount

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    Exactly!

    True but then again people are living longer. I can probably live without A/C for most of the year but during the hottest days of the summer (about 4 months worth), it would be difficult. It's not so much the heat but combine the heat and humidity for 24 hours a day, it gets downright yucky!
     
  7. Jun 10, 2009 #87 of 125
    BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    Ya think Saywhat cares? Nah.:nono2:
     
  8. Jun 10, 2009 #88 of 125
    BubblePuppy

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    People up here in Oregon turn on the AC when the temps get to be in the upper 60s'...a major heat have.:nono2:
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  9. Jun 10, 2009 #89 of 125
    SayWhat?

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    AC is a creature comfort, a luxury, not a necessity. Just like TV.

    There is very little AC in Africa, South America, Central America and much of the Carribean where is gets much hotter and muggier for longer than almost anywhere in the US. There are hundreds of thousands living in AZ, NM, TX, OK, CO, UT, NV, CA and other states that can't afford AC. They learn to adapt.

    AC and TV are two things almost all of us COULD do without if we weren't so soft.
     
  10. Jun 10, 2009 #90 of 125
    SayWhat?

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    Like I said, those with medical needs would be exempted.
     
  11. Jun 10, 2009 #91 of 125
    Chris Blount

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    Lack of TV can't kill you. Extreme heat can especially if you are elderly. BIG difference.
     
  12. Jun 10, 2009 #92 of 125
    BubblePuppy

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    Set an example for all of us, disconnect from the power grid. I would like to see that.:rolleyes:
     
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    Marlin Guy

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    jclewter79

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    Here is the problem with your logic. Most of the time when electricity usage is high enough to cause a blackout, it is in the summer because not only are people using more electricty, electricty does not "flow" through the wires as effeicently when it is hot due to the fact that the molocules are farther apart in the wire when it is hot. Now, I can only speak for Texas because that is where I live but, here an electric company is not even allowed to cut off electric power on accounts that are past due when it get above a certain temprature because people die. Do you really think that they would be able to get a federal mandate passed to do this? There are thousands without air in those places that you listed and every year some of the "softer" ones die because of it. Tell them about creature comforts.
     
  15. Jun 10, 2009 #95 of 125
    BubblePuppy

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  16. Jun 10, 2009 #96 of 125
    jpl

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    Or the north east - aka the humidity capital of the world. When temps and relative humidity both get to the high 90's around here, my AC doesn't get shut off for anything.
     
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    jclewter79

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    Good point BubblePuppy! You know people lived for a long time in hot climates without electricty at all so, I guess electricty in and of itself is a "creature comfort".
     
  18. Jun 10, 2009 #98 of 125
    BAHitman

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    The city of Austin has remote swithing capability on volunteers AC circuits to enable them the shut them off for a few minutes when demand is at it's peak. There's a difference in 5 minutes and a couple of hours.

    I should be able to use as much power as I can afford to pay for. If I become an "abuser" then charge me a 10% surcharge on the additioinal power. maybe that would convince me to install solar or wind power to offset usage.

    but, mandating that my power be shut off is out of the question. that's like saying you are not allowed to use yoru car because you drove over 400 miles last month... rediculous!
     
  19. Jun 10, 2009 #99 of 125
    jpl

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    Umm... isn't internet connectivity a 'creature comfort' too? How much electricity are you using by posting on this forum? With all due respect, this attitude is exactly why the green movement gets under my skin. Posts like this make me want to go home and crank the A/C until I see icicles hanging off my TV.

    One point that you seemed to miss in all this - the US is the economic powerhouse of the world. The technological innovations (like A/C) have allowed us to improve the standard of living and quality of life for our citizens.

    The one thing that we have in our house that helps on this front - we have an off-peak circuit for our water heater. It's only active during off-peak hours of the day (starts around 7:00 PM), and is just hooked to the water heater. I get a discount on electricity used for the water heater as a result.
     
  20. BAHitman

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    ooh yeah... I have done the following:

    CFL throughout the house--even in the unbalanced ceiling fans for the past 9 years. still on mostly original bulbs.
    LED track lighting in the kitchen.. instead if 7xCFL, it's now 7xLED
    Replaced central air for window units (control which rooms are cooled when)
    pool timer (instead of running pump 24x7, now only 10x7)
    looking into the tankless water heater... wife not convinced it is worth it (cost wise)

    gathering up materials to build my own wind chargers for my property
     

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