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The "Missing HD" Discussion Thread (was "NO HD" Gripe)

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by rey_1178, Dec 25, 2007.

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  1. Dec 30, 2007 #121 of 1493
    harsh

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    I'd like to see SciFi as soon as there's something worth watching. As for the West premiums, NO WAY. We don't need them gobbling up the bandwidth with a three hour delayed version of the East feeds.
     
  2. Dec 30, 2007 #122 of 1493
    MarkoC

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    I have to agree, back before I had a DVR I could see the advantage of the west coast feeds, but being able to record anything I want at many different times renders them unnecessary IMO.
     
  3. Dec 30, 2007 #123 of 1493
    James Long

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    Having west coast feeds could help satellite compete better against cable ... but both satellite systems seem to be doing fairly well without those feeds of most networks.

    West coast HD of the movie channels could help avoid recording conflicts and give people more options.
     
  4. Dec 30, 2007 #124 of 1493
    texaswolf

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    Apparently there are things worth watching considering the amount of people who wanted added, and considering that the other providers have added, or are adding it quickly.

    so then, we should get rid of Film fest, Monster, and Kung FU, since they show the same movies over again roughly every three hours? I think it would be good to have all those choices of HD movies, it gives more choices and chances to watch/record a movie you want, in case you were already recording something when it was on before. Different movies on at the same time....it's better than only 4 HD premium channels Once E* gets to the point that they do start adding more channels, then wasted bandwith wont be an issue
     
  5. Dec 30, 2007 #125 of 1493
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    "More or less correct ... and that number was disputed in the thread where it was originally posted (as too low). But my point is that if 200k were willing to pay D* for 10 channel HD why wouldn't a similar number be willing to pay E* for 10 channel HD? These would be the non-Voom HD subs mentioned above."

    Because D* had major HD RSNs with the 10 channel HD lineup and the benefit of
    Sunday Ticket Subs (I agree with HDMe). YES HD and NESN HD has given D* a huge advantage in signing up HD subs. As I said earlier in the thread, E* is missing HD RSNs in about 10 key states in the Northeast. No HD RSN for DE, PA, NJ, NY, CT, MA, RI, NH, VT and ME except SNY HD which was added late in 2007. It is very plausible that D* was able to sign up more than twice as many HD subs as E* because sports has been an early engine for HD growth.

    The $20 HD fee was an obstacle in getting the lower end E* subs ( the ones
    that sign up for the $29.99 package and one $5.98 DVR fee) to upgrade to
    HD. That was why E* announced free HD for six months in August to new
    HD subs. I believe the new three tier HD fee rumors for E* are true, because
    the $20 fee precluded many subs from upgrading.

    E* seems to be taking steps to being a major player in signing HD subs.
    Turning on the four northeast HD RSNs, MSG HD, FSNY HD, CSNNE HD,
    NESN HD and FSNBA HD will be another step in that direction.

    E* does have some other HD subs than the 900,000 that qualify for
    Voom. How many? I will not speculate. But the 2,000,000/900,000 ratio is a good indicator of the success of the two satellite companies HD strategy in 2007.
    The 900,000 figure is real, Cablevision's auditors would not allow it in the
    financial statement otherwise.
     
  6. Dec 30, 2007 #126 of 1493
    trolane

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    I want west channels. i depend on saturday night premiers on hbo, cinemax and starz for my new movies and since they overlap i either have to watch 1 or lose it until its back on the hd channel.

    As for bandwith does anyone have numbers on that? . All channels should be HD and there should be a law pushing it.
     
  7. Dec 30, 2007 #127 of 1493
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    Wow, that's really what we need, politicians passing laws that they'll just screw up and make things worse. Please lets not get the government involved!
     
  8. Dec 30, 2007 #128 of 1493
    Stewart Vernon

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    If they do that... I want a law that requires a movie to actually be good!
     
  9. Dec 30, 2007 #129 of 1493
    trolane

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    why would anyone not want an HD law?
     
  10. Dec 30, 2007 #130 of 1493
    harsh

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    I'm not sure what you mean by Saturday Night Premieres.

    This coming Saturday on HBO consists of We are Marshall (2006) and Braveheart (1995).

    Skinamax has The Shawshank Redemption (1994) and Reno 911: Miami (2/07)

    Starz is actually playing some newer movies this coming Saturday in the form of POTC-DMC (2006) and Bridge to Terabithia (2/07).


    Obviously, having a second feed takes twice as much bandwidth to deliver exactly the same slate of programming. This brings with it the potential to shut out an HD channel that has exclusive HD content so that you might have a whack of recording what I presume to be the first of many runs of a program.
     
  11. Dec 30, 2007 #131 of 1493
    Stewart Vernon

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    The better question is why would anyone want such a law?

    Seriously... there are lots of things the government has no business mandating, and this would be one of them.

    Maybe there should be a law that all food taste good and be healthy... or laws that require us to exercise... there is just no good reason at all why a law requiring HD makes any sense or would be beneficial in the long run.
     
  12. Dec 30, 2007 #132 of 1493
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    it's too bad the boxes and content are one decision. 622/722 + directv offerings would be perfect.
     
  13. Dec 30, 2007 #133 of 1493
    James Long

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    While I'm sure that Tin Man looked better in HD, it still looks pretty good upconverted and proportionally zoomed by my 622 to my HD. Your opinion will vary.

    Only if you have a network airing the first three hours in HD. The difference being that one HAS HBO-HD and the other east coast networks to get the HD version from. A second feed for a three hour delay is not needed for a west coast viewer to see the program in HD. If you were to kill off Monster you'd also be killing off the first airings of the programs in HD.

    Voom has a 15 year contract with E* for carriage. Unless the Voom channels cease production they will be on E*'s service. All this "let's drop Voom" discussion is 100% useless. As long as Voom exists, it is going to be on E* until 2020.
     
  14. Dec 30, 2007 #134 of 1493
    James Long

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    You are still ignoring the CURRENT $9.99 HD subs.

    That number may be real for Voom subscribers, but is absolutely NOT real for E* HD subscribers. You say you won't speculate and then you continue to speculate that number to zero above Voom subscribers.

    Not every E* HD subscriber has Voom.
    Please re-read that line until understood. Thank you.
     
  15. Dec 30, 2007 #135 of 1493
    phrelin

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    With so many posts in this thread, I can't find the right info. So how and when did one get $9.99 HD without Voom?:confused:
     
  16. Dec 30, 2007 #136 of 1493
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    That's good, because I like the Voom channels. They are a great antidote to the "let's use up our bandwidth on every football/baseball/hockey game all the time in all areas" syndrome which seems prevalent....
     
  17. Dec 30, 2007 #137 of 1493
    James Long

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    Prior to February 2006, Voom was an optional $5 service and a small HDPack was available for $9.99. Customers with that HDPack have not (yet) been forced to upgrade to the $20 plan.

    In addition, for residents of Alaska and Hawaii there is a $9.99 HD package currently available that includes more that the original $9.99 package but no Voom channels.
     
  18. Dec 30, 2007 #138 of 1493
    phrelin

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    Thanks for the info. Puts that whole Voom controversy into perspective.:)
     
  19. Dec 30, 2007 #139 of 1493
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    Is there a current option to upgrade to HD for $9.99? I was not aware of that.

    Are the $9.99 HD subs the MPEG 2 HD subs that did not upgrade their hardware
    or are there MPEG 4 $9.99 subs as well.
     
  20. Dec 30, 2007 #140 of 1493
    James Long

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    Both are true.

    What we do not have figures for (even third party) are these two categories of HD customers.
     
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