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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by Stuart Sweet, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. Mar 7, 2013 #601 of 824
    veryoldschool

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    If it's working with BBCs, then it can't be a SWiM.
     
  2. Mar 7, 2013 #602 of 824
    Jnelson

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    That's what I thought. Thanks.
     
  3. Mar 8, 2013 #603 of 824
    Wolfmanjohn

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    VOS, I would like to go with a 34/44 Genie and 3 clients. Can I do that with a SL5-SWM LNB connected to the "power to SWiM" port of the PI, then connecting the "signal to IRD" PI port to a SWS4 splitter, running 1 line to the Genie and 1 line to each of the clients? Can it really be that simple/efficient? Is there any reason to get larger splitters or a SWM-8 involved here? Am I understanding things correctly, or do I need to educate myself more on SWiM/whole home theory and operation? Thanks in advance for your information, suggestions, advice, and thoughts.

    I'm just dealing with signal distribution in this scenario. I'll ethernet the ATT DSL to the Genie and add a AM21 after the installer splits, if one gets involved.
     
  4. Mar 8, 2013 #604 of 824
    veryoldschool

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    Yes, it really is "that simple".
     
  5. Mar 8, 2013 #605 of 824
    Wolfmanjohn

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    Thanks for your reply, VOS; it is greatly appreciated! Time to go have some fun!
     
  6. Mar 9, 2013 #606 of 824
    hiline

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    I luv this thread. I learn something new every time I come over here :)
     
  7. Mar 9, 2013 #607 of 824
    Wolfmanjohn

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    VOS, if I replace 1 of the clients with a HR23-700 (which I already have), is the above LNB/PI/SWS4 scenario still feasible? I count 7 tuners, but am I counting correctly? Also guessing DECA (no power supply, no B-band or BSF) will be necessary on that 23. Thanks again!
     
  8. Mar 9, 2013 #608 of 824
    veryoldschool

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    This was one of my setups:

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    Which seems to be what you're looking to do.
     
  9. Mar 9, 2013 #609 of 824
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    Last week, in anticipation of a Genie install, I replaced my WB68 with a SWM-16. After the install, while doing the Dish Setup, I was getting a failure on 103 LNB, both odd and even, on all DVR's. However, after continuing, the setup completed and I got a picture on all channels.

    Throughout the week, I checked the signal strength of all sats a few times. I have strong signals on 101, 110 & 119 (90-100), mid-80's to low 90's on 99(c) and low 70's to 90 on 103 (ca) and low 80's-low 90's on 103 (cb).

    Today, while fixing a cable I didn't properly secure last week, I decided to swap the two sets of cables between the dish and the SWM with one another. So, the cables that were going into 99/101 on the SWM-16 are now going into 103/110/119 and vice versa. I figured that this would tell me if I had a cable problem.

    When I reran the setup, the only difference is that I only failed on 103 even transponders. However, today the sky is completely clear. So, I'm assuming that is accounting for the improved signal on 103 odd (the lowest signal strength on the odd is 80, so I think that barely passed). On 103 (cb) all of the even transponders are in the 70's and the odd transponders are between 80 & 90.

    Other than needing a new LNB (which, I'm not doing myself), are there other things that I should try checking?

    Attached are photos of the various signal strength screens.
     

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  10. Mar 9, 2013 #610 of 824
    Wolfmanjohn

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    That's close enough for me to work with; thanks again!
     
  11. Mar 9, 2013 #611 of 824
    veryoldschool

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    I know the red x comes from a TP on one of the 103 SATs not having enough SNR/CNR. This could be as little as 0.5 dB low.
    The signal screens don't really show/point to which.
    I've seen the same and used a AIM to find the SAT/TP causing it.
    This might be from the dish not being optimized for the 103 SAT.
    Being on the west coast, for me it's the 99c SAT that is the hardest, so I dither the dish for 99 to be its best and don't need to worry about the others.
     
  12. Mar 9, 2013 #612 of 824
    Bill Broderick

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    OK. Thanks. Since it works (it just seems to be more susceptible to rain fade), I'll wait until I order the Genie (waiting on the HR-44 before doing so) and ask the installer to take a look at the dish, while I install the receiver.
     
  13. Mar 9, 2013 #613 of 824
    veryoldschool

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    "Yep" have him to a verification at the dish.
    DirecTV has raised the bar for passing this test in hopes to improve the customer's experience.
    Rainfade may always be with us, but if the alignment is the best it can be, it limits the amount.
     
  14. sgibson

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    Hello VOS,

    Wish I found this info before I changed my 2-wire system to 1-wire.
    (Soon to go whole house and Internet)
    My install is an 8-SWM, PI29 (with 18" Quad RG6 connection) and 6' Quad RG6 from PI29 to 8-way splitter.
    I kept getting lots of "771" errors on HR21, HR22. 2-HR24s were okay(No decas used on HR21,22). After several red button resets, all HRs are ok. Now that it's working, I found the info your "Official VOS Thread". (I know, I shoulda look here first.) Should I leave as is (No rain to check fade issues yet) or move PI29 further from SWM? Should I change 8-way splitter to 4-way? (8-way came with the SWM and PI29 I bought new in boxes from the "B"ig Auction place.) I do plan on adding at least one more device to the 8-way splitter in the very near future.

    Special thanks for all the invaluable info/tips/help you and others (Lamont Cranston) here have provided!

    Regards,
    sgibson
     
  15. veryoldschool

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    There can be problems when the PI is too close to the SWM8. DirecTV suggest having 15' of coax between them.
    Another option is to connect the PI to the SWM8 through the #3 legacy port.
    You have 4 DVRs, so that's the limit of the SWM8. I'm not sure what device you're planning to add, but it can't have a tuner and work.
    If your using the DECA in the 24s, the 21 & 22 should have bandstop filters.
    As for swapping the 8-way splitter for a 4-way, if the coax lengths are less than 140', you won't see much [any] difference. If you're close to the 140', then changing would give you some "reserve" [headroom].

    Some later testing showed the SWiM to receiver loss has little affect on rainfade
     
  16. sgibson

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    Mornin' VOS,
    Thanks for the quick reply.

    My runs are:
    From SL3PIG-Z Dish to SWM-8 is 4 x (25ft outside, 20ft inside) 45ft.
    SWM-8 to PI29 = 1 x 1.5ft.
    PI29 to 8-way splitter = 1 x 6ft.
    From SWM-8 are from 15ft. to max of 30ft.
    Total longest run = 82.5 ft.

    I want to do whole house and VOD. (I currently have Cat-5 at all but one location)

    "...There can be problems when the PI is too close to the SWM8. DirecTV suggest having 15' of coax between them.
    Another option is to connect the PI to the SWM8 through the #3 legacy port."
    Which option do you think is preferable?
    I can do either one.

    "...You have 4 DVRs, so that's the limit of the SWM8. I'm not sure what device you're planning to add,..."
    No more DRVs, I'm planning on Deca Broadband Adapter (DECA1MR01) and/or?
    DirecTV CCK-Cinema Connection Kit.


    "...If your using the DECA in the 24s, the 21 & 22 should have bandstop filters."
    Hmm...I was gonna use Deca Broadband Adapter (DECA1MR01)on the HR21,22

    Your thoughts?
    sgibson
     
  17. veryoldschool

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    I'd move the PI over to the #3 legacy port. The distance then doesn't matter and you won't be adding coax.
    The DECA1MR01 isn't really the BB DECA/CCK, but can be used as one with a PI.
    This is a BB DECA/CCK: http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=decabb1r0&d=directv-cinema-connection-kit-(decabb1r0)
    But so it this:
    http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.as...ma-connection-kit-w/-power-supply-(decabb1r0)
    With the lengths you have, there really isn't a problem keeping the 8-way.
     
  18. sgibson

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    It's me again VOS,

    I'm confused about the PI29>SWM-8>8-way Splitter???
    Looking over the wiring diagrams to the SolidSignal Links you provided, shows
    I have to re-route PI>SWM>Splitter connections to do BB Decka/CCK

    Here's my current setup...what's wrong with this picture?


    Thanks for your help,sgibson
     

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  19. veryoldschool

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    I'm a bit :confused: too, as your picture looks fairly simple.

    The coax from the PI [to splitter] needs to be over to the SWM#1 and the coax between the SWM8 and PI needs to move to the Legacy #3.
    You seems to have plenty of coax to do this.
    Your BB DECA can be connected to the output of the splitter.
     
  20. mjm76

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    I have WHDVR with DirecTV and I have the HR34-700. I am confused about something.

    I thought I was connected to the internet via the HR34-700 but now I am not so sure.

    What advantage is there to have your HR34-700 box connected to the internet provide?

    I thought it was for VOD, but I have been used that and it appeared to work, so what good is an internet connection to the boxes and what is it used for.

    any information would be appreciated. I thought I was connected but today my son came home and his XBOX 360 would not connect to our network and the problem I believe is the Wireless N video game adapter was not set up properly with our new Uverse gateway. I have the exact same network adapter connected to the HR34-700 and I have not reconfigured it since I have gotten the new Uverse gateway. I assumed it was working OK.
    I have not noticed any problems with my WHDVR and in fact no set top receivers have been dropping off the network.
     

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