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The official "More HD in 2009" thread - Q2 edition

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by rrrick8, Apr 2, 2009.

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  1. Apr 14, 2009 #161 of 1211
    Tom Robertson

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    Let's stop talking about each other and stick to more HD.
     
  2. Apr 14, 2009 #162 of 1211
    tcusta00

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    Still not seeing where I said there were no open slots. :confused:

    There's a difference between "out of bandwidth" and "no open slots." The former being that they're not "technically" out of bandwidth but they're out of bandwidth from a business standpoint where they don't want to overextend themselves, which was Sixto's point. I agreed with his assessment. The latter being that they are completely out of room and don't even have any open slots.
     
  3. Apr 14, 2009 #163 of 1211
    hdtvfan0001

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    Unless we want to rename this thread "The Romper Room Hour"....:rolleyes:

    Let's get :backtotop....please.

    There is plenty to talk about, in terms of the potential for more HD in 2009, including what would be worthwhile to folks, as well as what may come with the availability of the D12 sat this fall.

    IMHO, the Mods have been very patient on these diversions of details and restraint to close this discussion down entirely.

    Regardless of what # of HD channels are left, available, or will be there...

    In the end - it's about content - the real topic of this thread.

    Let me say PLEASE just one more time.
     
  4. Apr 14, 2009 #164 of 1211
    Jeremy W

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    If you want to think that way, that's fine. I see absolutely no difference between the two. A "slot" is simply a slice of the overall bandwidth. If they're out of bandwidth, there are no open slots. If there are open slots, then there is still bandwidth available. The terms are completely interchangeable in this context.
     
  5. Apr 14, 2009 #165 of 1211
    dreadlk

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    BBC America Please, please... Also why not the Full BBC HD since it's already up and running.

    On the other hot toopic:
    IMHO if Dishnet can squeeze HD channels out of Zero Bandwidth I can't see how Directv could be having Bandwidth issues. More than likely they are jusy being picky about who they sign multi year contracts with for the precious remaining Bandwidth.
     
  6. Apr 14, 2009 #166 of 1211
    LarryFlowers

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    There is no BBC America HD

     
  7. Apr 14, 2009 #167 of 1211
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    Two Words

    Picture Quality
     
  8. Apr 14, 2009 #168 of 1211
    nitty316

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    I would think this is good news.
     
  9. Apr 14, 2009 #169 of 1211
    Jeremy W

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    Yes. Dish is destroying the PQ on their HD channels. As much as I want to see DirecTV add new channels, I absolutely do not want to see them going the route that Dish has chosen. It is the wrong way to go.
     
  10. Apr 14, 2009 #170 of 1211
    DirectNJ

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    Nothing Ground-breaking here...

    I'm waiting for...

    ESPNU-HD
    WGN AMERICA-HD
    MORE MLB EI FEEDS (See threads on this season's HD "Short-comings" from CSN,
    Rogers, and SD4)
    HBO's
    WEATHER CHANNEL-"Local on the 8's" on the HD Channel...
     
  11. Apr 14, 2009 #171 of 1211
    tcusta00

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    I understand your point of view but the way I meant it was not that way. I'm sorry I didn't make it clearer and apologize for derailing the thread. Have at it. :)
     
  12. Apr 14, 2009 #172 of 1211
    Jeremy W

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    This new Q2 thread was overdue for a good derailing. It wouldn't be a "More HD in 2009" thread if it wasn't derailed every few pages. :lol:
     
  13. Apr 14, 2009 #173 of 1211
    Sixto

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    Thanks Tom.

    And you raise some interesting points that I was going to better formulate and state tonight but will summarize here for everyone ...

    The current D10/D11 transponder data and bandwidth analysis is very fluid. As most people can see, when updates get posted to the other thread, it changes daily, and sometimes hourly, based on the needs for part-time channels.

    What's currently posted as the "available" bandwidth, is just a summary based on a point in time, along with a best guess (based on daily observations) of how the part-time channels are using the bandwidth, along with a historical perspective on how the sports packages (mostly NFL Sunday Ticket) have used the bandwidth in the past.

    This is not an exact science, since it continually changes but for forum purposes, it seemed best to have a summary version, which gets updated when anything "significant" happens.

    First, the somewhat easy part is to see how bandwidth is being used at a specific exact point in time. That's were the "open" slot info comes into play. A few assumptions are made (based on historical monitoring): 1) each D10/D11 transponder has historically been assumed to support 5 full time HD channels; and 2) the slots are usually 1010, 1020, 1030, 1040, and 1050.

    Next is to look at how the part-time channels are organized, which transponders they are on, and how many are "live" at any given point in time. The free space labeled "PPV HD replacement candidates" is purely a phrase invented based on watching the bandwidth allocation on a daily basis (sometimes multiple times during the day). And this can change! But the numbers posted in the transponder map thread are a good average. That's why I tend to always use the word "approximately".

    Another area that I meant to further clarify is that the "PPV replacement candidate" concept assumes that at the very peak part-time need, when 100% of part-time channels are at their maximum need, that DirecTV would not want/need any other PPV HD to be available. This may not be a good business assumption.

    As an example, the current ppv replacement candidate number is 15, but if DirecTV replaced every one of these channels, then they would have zero PPV HD available at the maximum part-time need periods of time. I should probably add wording to the transponder map to further explain this.

    The last piece is the NFL. As I watched the bandwidth allocation throughout the NFL season, it seemed like the high water mark for PPV HD needs, above the daily part-time PPV HD needs, was approximately an additional 9 slots. This could be more (or less) for the next season. Been using 11 for guesswork lately. But this can change, if other part-time bandwidth is also needed on a Sunday afternoon during football season.

    So ... to net it out ...

    Of the 23 "available" slots ... approximately 8 appear to be somewhat "free" ... 15 are PPV HD channels that could be replaced without effecting the current part-time needs ... but then you need to set aside at least 9 for the NFL season ... and it's probably better to pick 11 to play it safe for the future NFL season ... which leaves you with a dozen (12) ... and then if you assume that the 3 RSN's that were supposed to be deployed last summer (but were delayed) are rolled out this summer then you may be down to 9 ... and this assumes that DirecTV doesn't want PPV HD to be available during the peak part-time periods. If DirecTV does want PPV HD available at the same instant in time as the maximum part-time needs then the number gets reduced by every PPV HD channel wanted.

    And last but not least, there are probably several channels already in the future pipeline that have slots already set aside for them when they become available or contract details are worked out ... and there's also the feeling that they may not want to ever be at 100% capacity until D12 is alive and well.

    Sorry for the long post but wanted to get it all out there ...
     
  14. Apr 14, 2009 #174 of 1211
    juventuz

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    It's getting frustrating seeing my local TWC catching up to DirecTV so quickly. In the past month and a half they've added 18 new HD channels, of which 7 are not on DirecTV. They've now got 11 national HD channels DirecTV doesn't.

    At least I can watch Travel Channel and ESPNU in HD when I visit my parents.

    And G4 does show some HD programing, and surprisingly E!HD looks good.
     
  15. Apr 14, 2009 #175 of 1211
    LameLefty

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    Thanks, Sixto. That is about the best single explanation I've seen from anyone (including you, and you've explained it well many times already).

    This point bears further consideration:

    Physical transponders fail. Both D10 and D11 were launched with several spares each. However, one factor that may play into the life expectancy of the satellite and its attendant components (such as transponders) is how heavily they are used - i.e., the average power usage, how often over their lifetimes spotbeams are refocused, how deeply batteries are cycled and how often, etc. In short, for lack of a better term, "wear and tear." This stuff DOES apply to spacecraft hardware, just like it does to your lawnmower - use it hard and it reduces life expectancy. It's possible that, absent a compelling need to use that spare capacity, Directv has just decided to wait for D12 and not over-stress the satellite systems to satisfy some perceived "need" to add 6 or 8 channels. Obviously, churn stats and subscriber growth rates don't reflect the same urgent demands we see in this thread.
     
  16. Apr 14, 2009 #176 of 1211
    Mr D

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    SATRACER WHERE ARE YOU? We need a word from you please tell us if u know anything about new additions, or at least say hi!!
     
  17. Apr 14, 2009 #177 of 1211
    tcusta00

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    Last time he popped in here he was crucified. I wouldn't be surprised if he lays low for a while.
     
  18. Apr 14, 2009 #178 of 1211
    LameLefty

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    Frankly, after what followed his last post, I wouldn't be surprised if he just stops posting entirely. :rolleyes:
     
  19. Apr 14, 2009 #179 of 1211
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    Which 3 are they missing?

    And thanks for all that you do for us on here. :)

    In the meantime, I'm going to sit back and pretend its 2007 again and we're waiting for D10 to go live. Maybe after D12 is live we'll get a slew of new HD channels. :sure:
     
  20. Apr 14, 2009 #180 of 1211
    Sixto

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    FSN Cincinnati, Florida, Ohio. All were expected on 8/14 then didn't happen.
     
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