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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by jaywdetroit, Apr 18, 2007.
The HR20 and the H20 are your choices there.
2 HR-20 Thats what I have
Oh! I don't know, maybe another HR20!
2 HR20's = DLB!!!!
Jayw already established MULTIPLE reasons on why this isn't an acceptable alternative for most people. And 2 HR20's does NOT equal DLB's.
Most of us would not want to run 4 lines to two receivers. Some will not have enough HD inputs to handle the extra receiver. $$$ would also be a consideration. Etc., Etc.
I gather that once an opinion is formed, most are going to resist changing it. If 2 receivers work for them, I'm happy for them. They won't buy into the DLB thing though.
And frankly - bad as a solution that it is, its going to be the only one for a LOOOONG time if you want DLB functionality.
DLB ISN'T COMING
Believe me, I hear ya. I wish it wasn't true, but I really think it is. The thing that really upsets me however is that D* hasn't said anything about it. They know it won't happen, but they continue to string the DLB followers along with, 'We'll look at it'. It seems that D*'s customer service hasn't improved as much as they would like everyone to believe.
We'll just need to see what Liberty does.
Methinks D* (NewsCorp) is really busy with VOD right now because it's a revenue generator.
After that, who knows?
I've said it before but it bares repeating...........
All of the following is just IMHO with nothing to back it up so get out your salt shakers.
It says alot that D* has been silent on DLB. They have had more problems with getting the Single Live Buffer working let alone addressing DLB. This is why they're not saying word one about DLB. They know that current buffer doesn't work correctly so ignore the question until it does. Without a working live buffer the HR20 is little more than a cable box and a VCR. With D* trying to get the revenue stream featrues working the buffers are kinda on the side burners. I do believe that they are thinking/talking about it internally but we'll have to suffer the silence until things like VOD are up and running.
I have to say that I hope you're right, but I just don't see DLB coming to this box. If it hasn't been done on the R15 yet, I see no reason to think it would be done on the HR20. D* just doesn't feel that this feature is important enough, hence why it wasn't included on the box from the beginning.
Since my last post I've been checking out the TiVo S3 on Tivocommunity and CNET and I have to admit that I REALLY miss my TiVo. So much so in fact that I'm actually excited to think about switching services and getting an S3. I think that I wanted the HR20 to be successful so much that I forgot how great a TiVo actually is. That being said, I'll try and continue to be patient by giving D* another year, but if they haven't implemented DLB by then I'm paying the cancellation fee and I'm gone.
Sorry to jump in late with a "newbie" question!
Any chance the DLB is patented by Tivo and D* can't legally have it?
I admire all you fine folks for keeping faith alive but I don't think DLB is going to happen any time soon. Do I know this for sure? NO, but I have a feeling it will be a very long while or not at all.
Never had DLB so I technically don't know what I'm missing.
What is DLB?
I know, I know, I was standing in the closet with a bucker over my head when the good Lord gave out brains.
Dual Live Buffers
Buffering the channel the tuner has on. the HR20 only buffers the channel you are watching. Tivo buffers whatever channel in on both tuners.
What most people do with DLB
And, since NFLST is the only reason many folks are with D*, you'd think they'd implement it. Perhaps before Labor Day?
Remember there are only 2 million or so Sunday Ticket subs and many of them don't have a DVR. 16 million subs total.
Cross section of total subs with Sunday Ticket, that have a DVR and even know what DLBs is would be pretty small. Under half million perhaps.
Again it comes down to the question: How many people would leave over not having DLBs. Not that many. Even if 20,000 did, they'll sign that many new people up in a couple weeks. It's just a bump on their radar. It's similar to the debate on how many people will leave if there is no Tivo. Again, even if it's large, as in 50,000...they'll sign that many new subs up very quickly.
Basically it just doesn't matter to the bottom line. It really doesn't. So they weigh the cost of trying to impliment DLB or the cost of keeping Tivo vs. how many people will leave becuase either or both are no longer available. If the cost of losing those people was higher you can bet they would have made an effort on the other way.
Again, I hope they get DLBs for you guys, I really do. But DirecTV isn't going to die if they don't offer DLBs. Far from it. People just need to realize that.
I don't watch that much sports. The way I use DLB is I find one channel (CNN, most of the time) and keep it on that tuner then surf on the other. The wife use it with soaps. So it's not just for sports.
I just don't understand why it is not on there anyways. It's on most other DVR already. Why not just put it on there. It's not like someone going to say "Hey this DVR has DLB I don't want that cancel my account please"
 I think the cost to keep Tivo (or was) $1 per account. Again It doesn't have to be Tivo for me. If the HR20 had a pause point that worked and DLB with no/few bugs. I'm there!
Honestly, I think that's understated. If you lose 20,000 A List customers (Most Sunday Ticket customers are, meaning have large monthly bills) when you are making a push to GAIN A list customers, that would be a strong signal to me that I wasn't doing something right. Also, losing 20,000 A list customers and gaining 20,000 lower tier (C) customers, will most certainly impact the bottom line. It may not be huge, but over time it will show.
Don't forget that with TelCo's beginning to get into the game satellite's competition has only intensified. If I was them, I would want to hold on to as many customers as I possibly could. If DLB would keep 20k in customers, IMO the opportunity cost would be well worth it.
To put some numbers to your thought:
Since you are talking about A list customers, assume they average an 85 dollar a month bill.
At that price: 20,000 customers is just over 20 million a year in revenue. Even if that is a small slice of change compared to D*'s over all Yearly Revenue. It's still not chump change.