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Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by Rich, Jan 27, 2015.
Wouldn't that include the Packers - XXXI & XXXII
No ... but the penalty should match the crime.
The didn't win the game because of the crime - the penalty should not be the winning of the game.
The Superbowl Champions will receive a penalty (assuming they are found guilty).
A penalty appropriate to the crime.
Never bet against Brady. :rolling:
While all will talk about the play call, Brady is tough.
Arguably the best of all time!!!!!! (Brady)
I did in 2008 and 2012. :righton:
Here's a different take: if the pass had been merely incomplete, no one would be talking about the play call. Had it been a TD, people might be saying how brilliant Carroll is.
Yeah, I did too. Won big one of those years. I meant it as a generalization. When I was betting, I rarely bet against him, Manning or Rodgers. Or Big Ben. The year that Burress made that great catch for the Giants got me a new 1080p TV.
I understood why he did it, I don't disagree with his logic. I do think I would have used Lynch, tho. I was so surprised by it and by my wife's reaction to it that I had to watch it again right away.
But I got the game I wanted. I enjoyed it. Didn't much care who won, just wanted to see a nice clean game.
Indeed, one of the more exciting games in the SB.
I can understand the thought behind throwing the pass when the D is setup entirely for a run defense. But Carroll is sometimes too smart by half. And I was also thinking they might get cute by wasting a run on down 2, to wind the clock way down and then letting the beast blast it in. Then the Pats would have time only for the runback on ensuing kickoff, or maybe no time at all.
It's hard to fault a play call in situations like this. It's easy to say "why did he do that" when it doesn't work.
It's a little easier to say the ball could have been thrown better... or the receiver could have tried harder to prevent the interception. I can actually put more blame on the execution than the call itself.
I would have probably ran the ball in that scenario... but if they do, and were stopped for a loss... people would be questioning that too.
It was a weird way to end a game, though... with a crazy as heck catch near the goal followed by a rare interception... and then a couple of penalties that took the Patriots out of the danger zone. I REALLY wanted to see what was going to happen with a snap at the half-yard line that they had to get out of the end zone. The way the game was going, I was expecting a safety to happen and then Seattle have to try a 60 yard field goal for a win after receiving the free kick. But alas, the penalties by the Seahawks eliminated that possibility.
Often the game is lost and not won.
You can ask our Wisconsin members about that. And a certain Atlanta fan or two.
It's second down and you have a time out and plenty of time left. You have Lynch in the backfield averaging 4.3 yards a carry thru the game. You run the play clock down to 1, hand Lynch the ball and take a time out if you don't make it, that is not a difficult decision.
If you do insist on throwing the ball you run playaction and pass to the outside. You sure as heck don't pass short to the middle where most of the defense is piling in trying to stop the run.
Amen, brother stalker.
Heck they could have given the ball to Lynch, had him run around in the back field for 20 seconds, making sure came close to but not in the end zone, then timed his entry therein insuring no time left to respond. Probably not even Carroll would have played it that way, and I am not really recommending that, but it's amusing to contemplate.
What's ironic Pete Carrol said it was a hard lesson to learn not giving it to Beast Mode the most unstoppable RB at the goal line in the NFL. Yet Carrol did the exact same thing in the National Championship game USC against Texas down at the goal line while the most prolific college running back and Heisman winner was sitting on the bench in Reggie Bush.
Bone head decision with a time out still left, you run 1 play (Lynch) if it fails call timeout. Pass next down if incomplete kills clock and on 4th down run or pass it doesn't matter game is over.
Yet he tried to get cute with the play calling and now he has to live with it.
Lynch was not the most unstoppable back at the goal line. In fact, he was 1 for 5 from the 1 this year.... that's only 20% success. Statistically, it wasn't a bad choice - 66 times in the NFL this season teams threw passes from the 1 yard line. 0 of them resulted in interceptions. 4 out of 66 times the QB scramble and scored. 221 one times teams ran from the one. 125 resulted in TDs, 94 failed to score, 23 lost yards and fumbles occurred 2 times.
The Texas vs USC play wasn't the exact same thing, nor was it the goal line. It was 4th and 1 around midfield and would've put Texas away. Lindale White got the ball, because he was their successful short down RB.
Instead of throwing it to a second string wide receiver with 1 yard do or die,
get your 2 best runners involved. Line up like beast mode is going up the
middle. Wilson fakes it and sweeps around the end. The defense would have
sold out on an all pro running back and Wilson is a fast, strong, elusive runner.
The other play that has been working well everywhere is qb rolls out like a run
and passes to outside when defense moves up. If they don't react just run it in.
Lynch led the NFL with rushing touchdowns while playing against the very tough NFC west run defenses and when he gets into Beast Mode which he was is virtually unstoppable. You can sugar coat it anyway you want, IMO and many agree it was a colossal mistake, even the pass route was a poor choice bringing the throw back into the meat of the goal line defense.
I'm glad they lost the way they did, it really serves Carrol right for continuing his I'm so hip and cool persona.
The pass route wasn't the problem, the DB just anticipated it and went around the block/pick. The WR was open at the release....
See how the Corner is giving ground, rather than letting the WR block him down inside? The WR's job is to hook him and turn his shoulders, thus cutting off the other DBs route to the ball. The corner back peddles, creating a lane to the ball. I think the Patriots practiced this play in preparation.