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  1. Sep 23, 2019 #21 of 102
    SledgeHammer

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    Espaeth listed 3 channels with forced ads. CBS, CW and Pop. I watch a few shows on CBS and one on CW.
     
  2. Sep 23, 2019 #22 of 102
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    Since I can delete them after watching, there's only 5 (or less) in my playlist.

    No. 2.5 is strictly drive by watching now. So if I'm bored on a Saturday, I'll scour my entire DirecTV guide for something to watch for the rest of the day. Whether it be 2.5 or something else. Believe me, it doesn't take as long as it sounds. The locals fit on one or two screens and then I skip to channel 220 and page through 100 or so channels. That covers the next 1.5 hrs. Of that, I only stop and read the description on a handful of shows. So really, if its noon or whatever, I can go through the process of guide scouring from Noon -> 6pm or so in a few minutes. Page down rather then row down. I can quickly see what's on at a glance. Literally spend about 1 second per screen unless I want to check an ep description. Just my own personal MO, of course :D. And I don't scour 2 weeks out... for current on the air shows, I use the upcoming season / episode view. It's definitely great for go-forward viewing, but it's not ideal for retro viewing. Scouring process is just for 3 or 4 hours out.
    Yeah, that sounds annoying. I don't keep ANYTHING after I watch it. I don't understand why I'd need 4 versions of the same episode. This would be a good use case if I wanted to actually build a library of a show that I just started watching and want to catch up on the older episodes... but that's pretty rare. Still would be nice to have one copy of an episode only.

    I live in So Cal. Literally, my Satellite has gone out TWICE in 20 years. You're right if my power goes out, I'm stuck :D. I'm not deleting stuff to make room, I'm deleting stuff to keep my play list manageable.

    Regarding watching recordings out of house, well, yeah, DirecTV removed the easy way of viewing outside your LAN... no problem, if you want to watch a recording in Vegas, just VPN in first and voila, you're on the LAN ;).

    Guide ads don't bother me tbh. If I pause the TV, its cuz I'm going to the can, so they can show what they want. I never watch ANYTHING live. I always record my show and start watching it, say 10 - 15 minutes in. I think everybody I've ever met does the same.

    Definitely wouldn't buy TV series. I don't want to re-watch it all 50 times... just when I'm bored I might remember an ep was funny. FFing through commercials is simple for me. I've got it down perfect on 3x lol. I maybe overshoot 1 in 75 FF's.

    I dunno… everybody has their own usage habits and viewing habits... to me, the less annoyances the better. Sounds like they need to improve the DVR a bit before I can take it seriously.
     
  3. Sep 23, 2019 #23 of 102
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    Remember when people used to complain about Directv (or any product/service) Fanboys on here all the time? It's time to have an intervention with the streaming fanboys - what about not watching commercials (even if it's just on CBS/CW), not wanting several different apps, etc do you not get? One of the most frustrating things for me when I have been forced at other places was just the impracticality of using the streaming service. You can't even enter a channel number to flip between a few games on streaming. So you have to scroll through the whole thing to do that. Just a couple locals, if any. Come on now.

    Switching between services is extra annoying. I have had to do that to watch Duke football this season. The first game was against Alabama and a disaster, but on broadcast TV (locals) so easy to find. Would it have been on streaming? The next two were online only, one was on ACC Network Extra on the ESPN app and the other was on Stadium. So to watch the game I had to know it was on those services, look for them there, and then watch the PQ fluctuate annoyingly. The Stadium/Facebook game was much better for PQ, but there were annoying emojis floating up the screen throughout as people liked plays on Facebook. When games are on real TV, just tune to channel 1205 for "my teams" and tune to game regardless of what channel it is on. Then take note for easy flipping if multiple games I want to watch are on.

    Plus everything on streaming is GIGANTIC. Only like 3 things fit on the screen at once. At least we can see more, and upcoming and record it.
     
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  4. Sep 23, 2019 #24 of 102
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    The problem here is that "streaming" is too broad to describe the options. For example, as an NHL fan here's the interface I work with on the Apple TV:

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    When I click on "Home" once to pull back from the full screen game, I see all the other games on the schedule for the night. Scores can be hidden if you want to go that route, but I use it to pick which game to jump to by gauging which games are close, which game has a power play in progress, or which games are going to OT. In a glance you can see which games are in intermission without having to jump to the feed.

    If you want to watch to keep an eye on 2 games, you can do that as well. Sliding left or right instantly switches the audio to that feed, zero delay. Clicking on either game pulls it up full screen.

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    The other advantage is that it's like having every single game set to record on your DVR. You can scrub the timeline on any game, having a visual thumbnail to help you narrow into things you might like to see.

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    Clearly this isn't the case for every sport, or every service, but I think it highlights a few of the areas where streaming starts to go beyond just moving the satellite feed to the Internet.
     
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  5. Sep 23, 2019 #25 of 102
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    So you're deleting it, waiting for it to come back on TV again, and then going back and re-recording it to watch it again? There is a big reason I would delete things from my HR-44, and that's the damn thing would bog down the more content you loaded into it. I made the mistake of hanging a 4TB drive off it once, and it was a disaster by the time it was half full. One of the benefits with a service like YTTV is that it doesn't suffer from that same slowdown when indexing a mountain of content.

    As to why to keep episodes from multiple channels -- ever have that channel that wants to run a 1/3rd screen animated overlay advertising some new event or show every 5 minutes? That's a good reason to keep copies from other networks, so you can side-step those obnoxious shenanigans.

    Rather than trying to poorly describe it, here's some pictures of how the interface works, starting with the library interface:

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    Selecting a show gives you a season / episode navigation view, with thumbnails out of each episode:

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    Selecting an individual episode, gives you this option to choose the recording / VOD option:

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    For navigating the episode to skip commercials, or to find a part of the show you want to see, you get a thumbnail view:

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    But say that's not the episode you're looking for -- you can just swipe down and select other episodes of the same show:

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    Or other shows on the same network:

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    Or other live shows / events, ranked by matches against things in your library:

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  6. Sep 23, 2019 #26 of 102
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    In my 2.5 example, no, I just watch it and delete it. Maybe I'll watch that particular episode again in 5 yrs, who knows lol... I'm not going to watch it again in the next 9 months, that's for sure.

    The interface in your screenshot is pretty similar to Netflix and AP and even the Genie search in Season / Episode view.

    The thing is, I don't want to have to memorize what season or episode I recorded. I just look in my playlist and see... Oh! That's the episode where Charlie slept with a hooker. Ok, well, bad example, he did that in every episode haha :D, but you get the point. I don't want to re-watch the whole show or sift through 250 episodes (even by season). I want to sift through the 5 episodes I recorded Saturday morning for example and watch & delete them by Saturday night and move on.

    It's less of an annoyance if we're talking about a show that's still on the air, then I know I just care about the latest season / latest episode. But take The Big Bang Theory, I do occasionally watch re-runs (not planned, in drive by mode by scouring the guide)… so latest season / last episode would have worked last year... but if I also recorded an older episode it'd be lost in the shuffle.

    I'm definitely not going to record every episode and re-watch the whole show.

    Another example of why this is bad... let's say we're talking 2 or 3 years ago and I stumbled across 24 for the first time. Yes, I want to watch every episode in order. I was binge watching it and I think it took me 3 months to get through it. Is there an easy way to see where I am? There would be with Netflix and AP because they remember where you left off.

    I happened to use TPB for that lol, so yeah, I just deleted the episodes as I watched them and downloaded 1 season at a time.

    EDIT: I had a thought and tried to see if any of the providers had a public API. Apparently Netflix had one 4 or 5 yrs ago, but they shut it down. Too bad. I could have built my own DVR lol that unified multiple services into a single UI... but I guess they shut it down so people wouldn't do that and they could keep their branded UI.
     
  7. Sep 24, 2019 #27 of 102
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    Your 44 slowed down with a 4TB HDD on it when it became half full. Yeah, that happened to me and my 44. I have a 3TB HDD in that. All the HRs will slow down when the HDDs reach a certain point. I put SSDs on four of my HRs and I don't see that happening on them. My 44 has a 1TB SSD on it and I don't bother checking how much is on that, the amount of content doesn't seem to make a difference. I've had some of the SSDs running full and saw no problems. Just a thought if you're interested in making your 44 work like new. There's a link in my sig to a thread that details SSDs.

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  8. Sep 24, 2019 #28 of 102
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    Hint, check out the most-watched networks last year:

    Top-Rated Channels of 2018: TV Network Winners & Losers | IndieWire

    YouTube TV, for instance, is missing the following: #15 History, #17 Hallmark, #21 A&E, #24 Nickelodeon, #31 Lifetime, #32 MTV, #33 TV Land, #34 VH1, #36 Hallmark Movies & Mysteries. That's quite a few omissions for a $50 cable channel bundle to be missing. But YouTube TV doesn't have them because they don't have any carriage contracts in place with A+E Networks, Viacom, or Crown Media. Sure, there are lots of folks (men, especially, I'd guess) who don't care much about those channels. Still, though, those 9 channels all ranked among the 40 most-watched in 2018.

    AT&T *does* have relationships in place with all those network owners, although not all of them are yet included in their new skinnier Plus and Max packages. But I believe they will be. The variety of popular channels offered in those packages, for the prices charged, with be something that AT&T TV and AT&T TV Now have that other streaming providers don't have.

    As for the no-commitment thing, well, AT&T TV Now caters to that crowd. But I really don't think a one-year contract is a huge deal to a lot of folks. Most middle-class adults with a mortgage don't anticipate keeping cable TV service for less than a year at a time, or switching providers every few months. That's not normal behavior. Psychologically, I think a one-year contract is a lot less of a turn-off than a two-year contract. And, as I say, Uverse TV and AT&T Internet have always only had one-year contracts. I expect the same will end up being true for AT&T TV.
     
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  9. Sep 24, 2019 #29 of 102
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    No, I didn't leave DTV because of BS fees. I think you have me confused with someone else. I left it because I was more interested in spending money on the content available from Netflix, Hulu and/or Prime Video than the stuff available on basic cable channels. I could get my locals for free via OTA antenna, so when Showtime and HBO became available as standalone streaming services, there really was no point in sticking with any form of cable channel package for me.

    That said, no, AT&T TV Now's Plus and Max packages (which I believe will become the default options on AT&T TV also) do not have RSN fees or broadcast channel fees. There are no box fees either. Your first box with AT&T TV is given to you free, yours to keep. You can buy additional boxes at $120 each if you want but you don't have to use their boxes; you can use the AT&T TV app on your own devices. There aren't really per-stream fees either. AT&T TV Now comes with 2 simultaneous streams while AT&T TV comes with 3 simultaneous streams. Both services come with a certain amount of cloud DVR included (20 hrs for AT&T TV Now; 500 hrs for AT&T TV). I'm not aware of any "other fees" for either service, aside from AT&T TV Now selling a 3rd simultaneous stream for an extra $5/mo.
     
  10. Sep 24, 2019 #30 of 102
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    That’s interesting. So if you can use your own device for AT&T TV why exactly do you need their box at all? It’s one of the things that would keep me from trying AT&T TV at all. I’m not interested in having any provider specific devices.
     
  11. Sep 25, 2019 #31 of 102
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    I've tracked that thread for a while now, and if I were sticking with DTV I'd definitely go that route. The elimination of native mode was the final nail in the coffin; put in my cancellation yesterday.

    It’s been good run, but better video quality is the key reason I switched from Dish to DIRECTV almost a decade ago, and better video quality is the reason I’m leaving in favor of streaming now.
     
  12. Sep 25, 2019 #32 of 102
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    Same here, picture quality is #1 priority. With a 75” TV and 102” projector the quality between Directv and streaming is night and day.
     
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    I'd think a lot of folks that don't know any better will take the box.

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    Got it. PQ is one of the main reasons we stream too.

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    Agree, it's gotten to the point where D* content annoys me PQ-wise.

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  16. Sep 25, 2019 #36 of 102
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    They built the box to still use a remote with a number pad, and they adapted the service to have channel numbers. It also incorporates a couple other legacy TV options, like a "previous channel" button. When you first turn the box on it immediately starts playing content from a channel, just like a traditional cable/sat box would.

    It's built for all the people who comment in threads about streaming "I can't just punch in a channel number."

    In the latest iteration of the Osprey remote, they completely removed the touch pad and are forming it into more of a traditional remote interface:

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    You hit the nail on the head here, and is the perfect example of YMMV may vary with streaming services. I knew going in I would not have any of these channels and was entirely fine with it. There are others on this thread/boards, who watch a lot of that content. But my bill is only $50. It's a simple issue of trade-off, at this point; what are you getting, and what are you willing to live without? For each person considering streaming, it's up to them to decide. For those that want/have to have everything, traditional satellite/cable services are still the best way to go.
     
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    Right, I understand why some folks might WANT the box. But it sounds like you need at least one of their boxes to use the service at all. That’s what I’m not getting. Why do you need at least one of their boxes, which based on the post I quoted you do, to use the service if they have an app that runs on regular streaming boxes. Why isn’t the provider specific box an option just for those who want the things you describe. I don’t want any of that, and I don’t want any provider specific boxes. So why make me get one to use the service. That’s what doesn’t make sense to me. It just limits the customer pool. Their are lots of folks out there, like me, that already have streaming devices on every tv that don’t want to add any provider specific devices to the mix.
     
  19. Sep 25, 2019 #39 of 102
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    Anybody looked at Tmobile TV? Really nice channel pack for $90/month, but boxes are $10 each after the first. I wonder if it behaves more like streaming or more like traditional, but just delivered over IP.
     
  20. Sep 25, 2019 #40 of 102
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    History is mostly guy-centric content now (fake reality shows). I remember when History showed educational stuff lol... ah the good ol' days. Hallmark / Lifetime is women. Nick is kids. TV Land is everybody, lots of classic TV shows.
     

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