Thinking of switching to DTV from Dish,Opinions Needed

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by kspeters, Apr 29, 2012.

  1. kspeters

    kspeters Mentor/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

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    I currently have a 722 and another hd receiver from Dish and am happy with it.
    However i am considering DTV with Whole Home system. I like the idea of 5 tuners b/c I record a lot of shows. I am looking for comparisons and opinions on the two providers. It would be nice if your comments come from having had both providers and can offer comparisons.
    How does the HR34 work as far as speed,,any annouances?
    Any help would be appreciated as I would like the NFL Sunday ticket being one of the main reasons for switching.
     
  2. lgb0250

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    I have had both systems and to me there is not a lot of difference between the two. I was initially with D* and after 2yrs went to E*. When we bought out new house and were ready to move in I called about the E* mover program and was told it would take 30 days and thus I went back to D*. The picture quality, cost and customer service is about the same with both. Who has the most HD shows or best hardware goes back and forth all the time.

    About two months ago I was ready to switch back to E* basically because of the cost reduction these guys always give to their newbies and the avent of the new Hopper. Well, D* offered me a free HR34 along with 3 months free of showtime/starz, free installation and an upgrade to a SWM15 from the 8 I had so I decided to stay. I'm still happy with that decision.

    The HR34 is another matter altogether. Kind of quirky and not 100% reliable yet. But I would bet that E* is also having some problems with the initial roll out of the Hopper system.

    You'll be happy with your decision to switch IMO.
     
  3. mdavej

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    For the record, you can get whole home with Dish now too. I've had both and find PQ, hardware and service to be very similar. So you won't be disappointed, especially in terms of sports content. Check out the whole lineup before making a decision. That's the biggest difference.
     
  4. RACJ2

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    If you want NFL ST, you don't have many choices. I have the HR34 and think its great! Is it perfect yet, no. Although for me the few quirks it has aren't anything major. And I know it will improve, just like I've seen improvement with my HR22.

    And its great to have 5 tuners, so you can have a couple scheduled recording going and still have 3 tuners for watching live sports. It worked great for NHL CI, watching several hockey games. And I'm looking forward to having it for multiple games with NFL ST this season. Actually, I will be able record 4 games and watch 1 live. Not to mention, monitor one game in the PIP and watch one of the games that is recording, live on my laptop using DIRECTV2PC (about a 5 second delay watching this way).

    So for a sports fan wanting NFL ST, I'd say DIRECTV should be your choice.
     
  5. kspeters

    kspeters Mentor/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

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    Thanks for the info. I know my 722 is not perfect but I am concerned about the supposed slowness of the hr34. How bad is it? I can really skip ahead as fast as can push the button on a recording on the 722.
     
  6. jones_hdtv

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    If your are looking for speed and response to remote commands, D* is very iffy with this...I switched to D* 3 1/2 years ago from a VIP622 and now have HR24's and it does not compare to the VIP622 in speed and remote response....BEWARE
     
  7. lgb0250

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    I've had the 622 and I now have an HR34. There is absolutely no problem with the HR34 skipping ahead as fast as you can hit the button. It's a 110% improvement over the HR23's I also have. Sometimes it can be a little slow in changing to a new channel but I find that problem much less frequently with the HR34 than with the HR23. There are some minor things that they are still working to get corrected and I'll repeat minor. The five tuners and built in PIP make it a superior receiver to the 722 IMO.
     
  8. utvnut

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    Do you want to share the order confirmation with the free HR 34? (personal info removed of course). Need some evidence for the agents saying "no free HR34".
     
  9. sangs

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    My HR34 was blazing fast when first installed, but now that 70 percent of it is filled, not so much. It seems especially sluggish when tuned (or tuning) to a channel that supports interactive features, like the Scoreguide. The HR24 is still pretty quick, but there's not much recorded on it - and it too suffers from the Scoreguide effect. I kept FiOS connected for a variety of reasons and may go back to it full time, as it's DVRs remain much faster - if not quite nearly as advanced. It's good to have choices.
     
  10. RACJ2

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    My HR34 isn't slow, but occasionally when starting double play it will take several second to flip to tuner 2. Once you change the Slip feature to skip, mine skips forward very fast. The HR34 has a faster processor then the other DVR's, so there isn't any performance issues. Now on the last release, I couldn't say that, but the current release resolved those issues.
     
  11. TomCat

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    8 years of DISH, 7 years of DTV (current sub). My overall impression is that DTV is a better, more-professional company. But DTV has been slipping badly over the last 2 years. They used to have the edge on DVR reliability, but that may be in doubt by now. DISH DVRs are much more responsive, and that gap only seems to widen over time in DISH's favor.

    Programming is about the same, generally speaking. DTV has more sports paks, but you will pay dearly for them. DISH seems to have more ethnic channels. DISH has historically trailed DTV in HD channels and LIL HD channels, but we are about at saturation so it may no longer matter. Bottom line, make sure you can get the channels you need.

    If the "lot of shows" includes significant prime time from the big 4, the Hopper might be right for you. I love the Hopper concept, but I would not leave DTV to get it unless DTV continues to decline, which there is no guarantee that they will not.

    I left DISH originally because they took a year to get the right time zone on one of my DVRs (actually, the clock ran out [pun intended] before they ever fixed it), and because the DTivo was superior at the time in many significant ways to DISH DVRs. Imagine what that last year was like for me having to use a DVR that had the clock off by an hour. Of course the DTV DVRs turned out to be even better than the DTivos, but my understanding is that the top level DVRs from DISH have improved quite a bit. Certainly more responsive.

    The bottom tier DVRs? Not so much. My mother had basic service from DISH a couple of years ago and disconnected in disgust for a number of very good reasons, including the crappy DVR and their basic incompetence.

    I overlapped the services for a month to compare quality. It was mostly a wash; DTV had just a bit more mosquito noise while DISH had just a bit more quantization error noise. Most folks would not have seen the difference in a double-blind study; they were that close. In the era of HD it really is no longer an issue; HD PQ is pretty ubiquitously good and the same from every provider by now.

    DISH used to be a cut-rate service, meaning their prices undercut DTV. But that's what you do as a startup, and they have been around now for some time. I don't think you can get either for less than the other these days, at least past the honeymoon period (they both make smokin' deals to new subs and basically ignore existing subs, but DTV seems to have more swag and bling to hand out; I got ShowTime free for a year, twice, just for being a loyal customer). The DVR lawsuits may have had something to do with this; DISH has to get more profit from customers to maintain overall margins these days, so their prices are no longer cut-rate.

    My biggest problem with DTV is that they keep making boneheaded decisions regarding the UI that seem to make the DVR harder and harder to use every time there is an up rev, plus they screwed the pooch on reliability 2 years ago and have yet to show any ability to fix that.

    If you absolutely need NFL ticket, welcome aboard. But I would not jump ship until September. Also, I am hearing that there are some other ways to get NFL that will break DTVs exclusivity, such as a Netflix sort of interface. You might want to investigate that.

    Oh, and while I have been on record as calling for the head of whoever is the CEO of DTV, Charlie Ergen is just a d--k.
     
  12. kspeters

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    Thanks so much for all your input.
    I decided to give D* a try. I figure I can use it for two years and revisit this all again. The price was right and got a $150 gift certificate from Best Buy to boot. I really like the idea of 5 tuners in the hr34 and will also get the am21 OTA add-on box.
    Wish me luck!!!!
     
  13. jones_hdtv

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    Good Luck.....
     
  14. RACJ2

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    I think you'll be happy with your decision. You will really enjoy the 5 tuners when watching several games on NFL ST. If you don't fret over the small issues that you might have, you will really enjoy the excellent HD sports coverage. Hope it works out well for you!
     
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