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Those of you with 1080p displays

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by ejjames, Nov 9, 2007.

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  1. miksmi21

    miksmi21 Legend

    Jan 19, 2007
  2. Ken S

    Ken S RIP

    Feb 12, 2007
    I never disagree with VoS...same settings here.
  3. richlife

    richlife Hall Of Fame

    Dec 4, 2006
    Your experience is exactly the opposite of mine. With a Sony 50" LCD (LCoS), my PQ is best with Native On and only 1080i selected. Using HDMI, but Component is also connected. Pillar Box. I also block SD if HD available, and have a Favorites list excluding all but 2 SD channels (DIY and Bloomberg).
  4. Milominderbinder2

    Milominderbinder2 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '08

    Oct 8, 2006
    Properly calibrated, there is no difference we can see on a new Mitsubishi 73" between HDMI and Component even in split picture.

    We have also tested this on a new Sony LCD. Once we were calibrated, no difference between HDMI and Component.

    We use Native on and only 72-p and 1080i out.

    - Craig
  5. richlife

    richlife Hall Of Fame

    Dec 4, 2006
    Thanks, Craig. My experience supports this except that I don't see any improvement for outputting 720p vs 1080i only. Any more info on this decsion -- the results you saw and how you checked? I assume for example that ESPN was part of your testing.
  6. HDTV1080p

    HDTV1080p AllStar

    Feb 14, 2007
  7. talbain

    talbain Legend

    Sep 6, 2006
    yes. but what does that have to do with this discussion? the thread is about 1080p displays. so all directv content, be it 480i, 720p, 1080i will be upconverted/deinterlaced to 1080p on a 1080p native display.

    so regardless of what the receiver is outputting, what you are seeing is 1080p...

    personally, when the receiver is set to native on i find the delay between channel changes unbearable. on top of that, you need to wait that extra split second for the display to change resolutions as well. i just set it to 1080i and let the display (samsung dlp) deinterlace it
  8. m4p

    m4p Legend

    Apr 12, 2007
    16:9 TV
    Native on
    All resolutions selected.

    I selected all resolutions for the reason that my TV remembers the mode I have chosen for each resolution, which is a really nice setting to have. For example, for 480i, I have my mode set to Smart Stretch. I like to use Smart Stretch for 480i shows that are pillarboxed. For 1080i I have my mode set to Stretch, or sometimes Dot to Dot. If I chose only one resolution in the HR20, then I would have to change it back and forth in my TV to go from Smart Stretch to Stretch.
  9. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Dec 9, 2006
    I'm surprised that yours works this way. I know you can set it up correctly, but wonder why the Sony is worse. Mine is better. Others have posted the same as the HR-20, with a similar but cheaper model Sony, but this is the first time I've read worse.
  10. StlChief

    StlChief AllStar

    Nov 9, 2007
    Hey guys. Just got a HR21 on 11/6. I was playing around with the settings last night and wondered if I should have native on or off.

    Just want to make sure I understand the difference.

    So, my TV is 720p (50in Sony KDF WE655) and if I set the receiver to native mode ON, does that mean that the receiver automatically switches the resolution depending on what channel I am watching (ESPN 720p, CBS 1080i, Toon 480i) and my TV then converts it to 720p?

    But, if I leave the HR21 on 720p, then it does all the converting before sending to the TV?

    I don't know if my TV, being a 4+ year old model, does a better job of converting the signal or the receiver does. I tried it both ways last night but didn't really notice a difference in PQ, only noticed the longer time it took for the picture to come up after changing the channel.
  11. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Dec 9, 2006
    Yes native "on" has your Sony convert the signals and native "off" sends a fixed resolution to the TV for all channels.
  12. Herdfan

    Herdfan Well-Known Member

    Mar 18, 2006
    The display is going to convert the signal to 1080p anyway as you stated. However, do you want a $99 sat box acting as your conversion point or do you want the $3000+ TV doing it. My guess is the deinterlacer in the TV will do a better job taking a 720p signal to 1080p than the STB will do taking it from 720p to 1080i. Plus there would only be 1 conversion instead of 2.

    Disclaimer: I have Native set to OFF because the channel change lag drives me nuts and I leave my HR20 set to 1080i. If I am going to watch an entire game on ESPN, FOX or ABC, I will manually set the resolution to 720p and let the TV do all the work.
  13. Bugler

    Bugler New Member

    Nov 4, 2007
    My DVD/Sound theater system only up-converts DVDs
    on the HDMI output. Therefor I use:

    Receiver -
    Component with RCA Audio to TV
    (so I can use my TV speakers too)
    Optical Sound to DVD/Sound System

    DVD/Sound System -
    HDMI-out to TV

    TV -
    RCA audio out to DVD/Sound (so I can use my TV tuner too)
    Video/RCA audio in from old VCR for legacy stuff
    Two spare cable input sets connected and laying on the side
    for AUX inputs to TV (an S-video and a standard video)

    I also think I would need an audio connection from
    DVD/Sound System to TV if I wanted to use TV speakers
    with a DVD is playing or the system is receiving radio.
    I am not sure, anyone know?

    If anyone has suggestions for a better setup for me
    I would be happy to listen to and try them.

    DirectTV - HD DVR Receiver - DR-20-100
    Sony LCD TV - Bravia KDL-V32-XBR2
    Sony DAV-FX500 DVD Home Theater System
    5-LNB Multi Satellite Dish Roof Mounted
    Monster HTS-1000 Home Theater Power System
  14. ChrisWyso

    ChrisWyso AllStar

    Nov 16, 2005
    +1 Also

  15. jtn

    jtn Banned User

    Oct 18, 2007
    It's cool to have the latest technology. However you will have to wait until a carrier can support your platform (1080p).
  16. SFNSXguy

    SFNSXguy EOE DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2006
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  17. narcolept

    narcolept Godfather

    Mar 1, 2007
    If you bothered to read your own post that I quoted, you would see. Displays don't "upconvert" anything for you. They take what they're given and display it, there's no magical mechanism inside your display that says "Even though the only singal I'm getting is 480i/p, 720p, or 1080i, I'm gonna sprinkle this dust from never-neverland on the signal and make it 1080p for you. Enjoy!".

    You are not seeing 1080p period unless you're watching something on your Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player, because there is nothing 1080p coming from D*. Therefore, this is what it has to do with the thread, since it's on the D* HR20/HR21 Q&A Forum.
  18. Kojo62

    Kojo62 AllStar

    Aug 9, 2007
    PA, USA
    +1 on a 52" Sharp Aquos.

    However, after reading this thread, I may experiment with just keeping the output at a fixed resolution instead of native, and see how that works out on my TV.
  19. Spanky_Partain

    Spanky_Partain Active Member

    Dec 7, 2006
    Mine is setup this way as well, except I do not select 480i for use in the resolutions. Sometimes I switch to stretch, but that depends on if I get tired of looking a Badonga Butts...

    Yea, I tried to disagree with him once, I thing that is when he hit the 1000 post in one day... :lol:
  20. talbain

    talbain Legend

    Sep 6, 2006
    a 1080p display (or a 1080p upconverting dvd player) will absolutely "upconvert" EVERYTHING for you. certainly it's not the same as a true 1080p signal like an hddvd or blu ray, but you are fundamentally wrong in your statement. and if the broadcast from directv is 1080i you are absolutely seeing true 1080p on a 1080p display...
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