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Ticked about having NO network stations in HD!

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by marty45714, Jan 23, 2011.

  1. Feb 1, 2011 #21 of 109
    david_jr

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    Have you been to the antenna topic at AVS? Those folks are super helpful and knowledgeable about antenna tricks and such.
     
  2. Feb 2, 2011 #22 of 109
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    I've been looking for information from many sources. As I recall, the AVS forum is where I got the recommendation for the antenna I bought. I've also been in contact with the engineers at our local PBS station and they offered some suggestions. Perhaps if I was willing to spend the money to put up a tall tower I might be able to resolve this, but I'm too cheap/poor.

    I'm just over 20 miles from the transmitters, but on the back side of a large hill. If my house was just a 1/4 mile up the road I'd have everything.
     
  3. Feb 3, 2011 #23 of 109
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    As far as I know, the HD distants appear to still be uplinked. Of course, we are not really sure that they are uplinked, but they appear to be. And all has gone silent about the HD distants.

    I am wondering why Dish isn't offering the HD distants at this time, if Dish wanted to offer HD distants. One possibility is that Dish wants to work something out with a third-party vendor, and that is why the mydistantnetworks website remains under construction and I believe is owned by a company just down the road from Dish. Another possibility is that Dish wants to run everything by the special master and that is just taking a while because the other parties have to be involved in that communication. Or perhaps Dish is just slow, with "George" on vacation. Or perhaps the speculation is wrong, and Dish is not going to offer HD distants. (However, if Dish were not going to have HD distants on its system, the uplink makes no sense.)
     
  4. Feb 3, 2011 #24 of 109
    ljr01

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    I exchanged several emails with somebody that identified themselves as a "supervisor" at Sobongo last week. He insisted their site outage was temporary due to being hacked. That made little sense then and less now.

    I also got a response from the Dish CEO email address. He asked for my phone number so he could address my concerns. He never called me and my calls to him go to voicemail.

    I'm in an RV with $1k+ of HD and audio equipment watching SD while it rains.
     
  5. Feb 3, 2011 #25 of 109
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    I think it is really poor service by Dish that you are left in that situation. Even though Sobongo was a separate company, their service benefited Dish customers and Dish. It is hard to divide the two.

    The mydistantnetworks site was transferred from Sobongo to another company that, as far as I understand from other posts on this website, is owned by a company with offices about eight miles away from Dish's offices. But you will never get a straight answer from Sobongo or from Dish. They both have been full of double-speak throughout this termination of the HD distants service.

    I hope there is some movement on this issue soon.
     
  6. Feb 4, 2011 #26 of 109
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    A post has popped up on the other website saying DNS will be available from Dish in the near future. It also says maybe and not from official Dish website in parenthesis. What is the big secret?
     
  7. Feb 4, 2011 #27 of 109
    James Long

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    It isn't our rumor ... sometimes these rumors come true, sometimes they don't. One needs to corner the person making the claims.
     
  8. Feb 4, 2011 #28 of 109
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    I am trying to figure out what is going on. I have been looking on the Pacer website to see if there are any filings from the special master indicating what is going on, but nothing. I also joined the other website just to pursue this issue (although I prefer this website). I sent a message asking for specifics, but no response. The other website is full of rumors about a lot of things.
     
  9. Feb 4, 2011 #29 of 109
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    I saw some of this back during the analog days. I had in my car a ham radio with the FM audio carriers of 2-11, the radio range of the radio. All stations transmitted from NYC. I'd go up a ridge in Fahnstock State Park, which went from a valley to 1100 feet. Depending on the frequency, I'd get and lose stations as I went up the hill. It was interesting that, say, channel 2 would come in closer to the base of the hill, drop, channel 4 would come in and drop, the the high VHF would come in near the crest of the hill where all stations would come in. Over the top of the hill, you could for stretches get 2, 4 and the others, but all in different spots !!! For analog, 4 and 5 were best in hilly terrain. Two was all over the place, and the high VHF stations were mostly line of sight near the top of the hill.

    Each frequency "bent" over hills slightly differently and second diffractions hit at different altitudes. I drove that route frequently and the stations were very predictable by location/altitude. It was far fringe for TV fool, and would have driven any installer mad, as neighbor A would get one bunch of stations and B a second, even though they'd be very close. A house on the right side of the ridge would have received an 80 mile signal.

    Playing with ham radio, I have had conversations on 2 meters, high VHF, or 6 meters, channel 2. Depending on the terrain and the path, one band OR the other will work better, given same power and antennas.

    Sometimes, (often), moving an antenna from one side of the house to the other, or changing the height (not always higher) will change your reception. You can't break anything...experiment.
     
  10. Feb 5, 2011 #30 of 109
    James Long

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    The retailer site quoted (DishForMyRV.com) is the one noted in the old thread as being a good candidate for offering a non-DISH operated DNS service --- with the caveat being that the retailer's site focuses on RV users ... which means an RV service would be the likely goal, not a home DNS service.

    On the positive side, it is the retailer's website that claims "DISH Network will be proud to offer Distant Locals in the coming months. Stay Tuned!" in a section talking about using OTA antennas for reception out of market.

    There is some DISH Terms of Service violating language on the DISH for my RV website (the "same residence" requirement of the Residential Customer Agreement (PDF). ) The RV website suggests adding a mobile receiver to the home account. DISH requires accurate service address.

    In any case, it looks like this is more than the standard rumor - it has a source. A single line on a single retailer's website ... and as long as the old NPS/AAD channels remain in test mode I suppose there is still hope.
     
  11. Feb 5, 2011 #31 of 109
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    My thought is that the DNS will be offered through a third-party vendor. That is really the only reason I can see that would be holding the service up. Otherwise, why not start it now? Channels are uplinked, there is no carriage agreement that has to be negotiated. I feel that the only thing holding it up now is the agreement with the third party. That can also explain why the mydistantnetworks website has changed hands.
     
  12. Feb 5, 2011 #32 of 109
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    Didn't "Just Pop Up", they give a website that shows exactly that. What big secret? Read their link and you know as much as anyone.....
     
  13. Feb 5, 2011 #33 of 109
    James Long

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    We have more questions than answers ... until DISH (or the possible third party) says something there really is no answer. We didn't know about NPS/AAD until they were ready to launch (and only found out early via the preemptive legal action intended to protect NPS/AAD from being shut down before it started).

    If it happens, it happens, if it doesn't it doesn't. Right now it appears possible but without something more solid there are no guarantees.
     
  14. Feb 5, 2011 #34 of 109
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    Perhaps when this god awful weather breaks I'll try some other locations. It sure can't hurt.
     
  15. Feb 14, 2011 #35 of 109
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    I sent an email today to the ceo address and inquired as to the possibility of HD DNS on Dish. I received a phone call from Dish within two hours. The representative was very courteous. He said that Dish wants to have the service, and intends to have the service soon. He could not give an exact date.

    He said that Dish recognized that many people liked the Sobongo HD service and were upset when it abruptly ended. He said that the delay is Dish is attempting to locate a third-party vendor to take over the service.

    I got the impression, although I did not specifically ask and he did not specifically state, that the termination of the HD DNS service was a decision of Sobongo. I am disappointed in Sobongo just leaving its customers hanging, especially those who were in the middle of year-long contracts. Imagine the reverse situation, with a customer in a year-long contract with Sobongo trying to end that contract early and get a refund!

    I do very much appreciate the responsiveness of Dish in calling me back. I continue to be overall quite pleased with Dish. (Of course, I would like to see full-time HD RSNs, a nationwide HD DNS service, and all local markets served with 100 percent HD. All of those things, I am sure, are coming.)
     
  16. Feb 18, 2011 #36 of 109
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    The mydistantnetworks website is now back in the hands of AAD.
     
  17. Feb 18, 2011 #37 of 109
    James Long

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    Whomever AAD may be ...

    The domain registration is still the Colorado company (perhaps they bought AAD from NPS or are representing the new owners on the internet).

    The terms and conditions page refers to:
    Distant Networks, LLC d/b/a AllAmericanDirect ("DN")

    Address (from that page): Distant Networks, LLC Correspondence Administrator 8101 E. Prentice Avenue, Suite #700 Greenwood Village, CO 80111

    Apparently the new AAD ... with a gap in website between when they took over the service from NPS and now.

    The site has been updated to be SD only ... and changed to harder to read colors, although the layout is the same as it was before under NPS (with the pricelist hidden in the FAQ). It is a shame they didn't have something up last month.
     
  18. Feb 18, 2011 #38 of 109
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    So what is going on here? Are we sure that the distant networks service has been sold by NPS/Sobongo to another company? Or is it still with Sobongo, but being represented by another company on the internet for purposes of sales of service to customers?

    If it has been sold to another company, then why aren't the HD distants available? They appear to be uplinked, and Dish has said privately that the HD service will be started soon and through a third-party vendor.

    The situation just does not appear to make sense.
     
  19. Feb 18, 2011 #39 of 109
    James Long

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    As best as I can tell, NPS out of Indianapolis has sold All American Distants to the new "Distant Networks, LLC" based out of Colorado. The new company no longer wishes to offer HD distants and dropped the service. All their choice (from what I can tell).

    Based on your information DISH would like someone to offer HD distants and are leaving the transponder available hoping someone will accept the challenge of running such a business. That someone won't be "Distant Networks, LLC".

    Sound logical? Such a scenario would fit what we've been told.
     
  20. Feb 18, 2011 #40 of 109
    tampa8

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    And they are using a different qualifying process apparently. My address no longer qualifies for one of the networks if I were applying today, my Father, who has always qualified for all networks only does for one now.
     

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