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Time To Admit That D11 Has Been A Dramatic Disappointment?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by JayPSU, Nov 19, 2008.

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  1. JDubbs413

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    Sep 4, 2007
    Guess you thought wrong.
  2. studdad

    studdad Icon

    Aug 11, 2008
    Yeah, Fios is da bomb. I live in Spokane, so don't expect it anytime soon, but it will be at the top of my list when it does arrive.
  3. Satelliteracer

    Satelliteracer Hall Of Fame

    Dec 6, 2006
    What are the most viewed channels by customers in every survey out there?

    1) Local channels

    D11 brought HD local channels to an incredibly large amount of customers. In addition, it will continue to provide national HD as well. But in terms of what customers want in HD, locals is first and foremost so they can see their network programming, local news, etc in HD.
  4. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

    Nov 16, 2005
    Wylie, Texas
    Ditto. I can't watch all the HD channels I have now and doubt I'd watch any additional ones.

    The grass is always greener. I've had FIOS availability for 3 years and can't think of a single reason to switch to them.
  5. love that tv

    love that tv Legend

    Jul 8, 2006
    is it possible for them to Multi-task and work on national channels as well as locals?
  6. loudo

    loudo Well-Known Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    Central Maine
    For me D-11 is a great enhancement. The additions of all the new RSN's in HD and more hockey in HD makes me a happy camper with D-11.
  7. Hutchinshouse

    Hutchinshouse Hall Of Fame

    Sep 27, 2006

    Don't be silly. :lol:
  8. Hutchinshouse

    Hutchinshouse Hall Of Fame

    Sep 27, 2006

    Wow, great first post..!
  9. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Of course many of the FIOS channels are redundant or secondary movie channels...so if you want movies and nothing else all day long - great....if you want any significant national sports, your outta luck.

    In addition, your "70" count for DirecTV is outdated and then some. It sounds like you've talked yourself into justifying a move that now doesn't look so rosey.

    So in the end...."all that matters" is in the eyes of the beholder.
  10. homebase

    homebase Legend

    Sep 4, 2007
    How has the D11 been a "dramatic" disappointment? In your OP, you mentioned how "We all speculated about all the wonderful new HD channels we'd get." Problem is, D* didn't tell us we'd be living in television pancea, rather WE as posters to this board (and other boards) let ourselves down with expectations too high. D* didn't fail us, we to lofty expectations.

    So no, it's neither been a disappointment nor a dramatic disappointment. It's been fair to midland, but not a disappointment by a long shot.

    If you want "dramatic disappointment", try being an XM subscriber nowadays. Sound quality has gone to the dogs, playlists are more shallow, they killed a few key channels. THAT my friend, is the definition of dramatic disappointment.

    I dont' see D* killing any channels like the XM merger did. I don't see D* reducing sound/picture quality---D* is doing quite the opposite of XM/Sirius...that's a good thing.
  11. studdad

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    Aug 11, 2008
    Of course it is. But the overwhelming problem is they have not negotiated deals. Or at least that is the most prominant excuse that keeps getting thrown around.

    Which brings us back to the age old questions of "why weren't deals in the making prior to D11" and "why are so many other providers so much more proficient at signing deals", etc., etc. And we will get the same old excuses.

    Bottom line, D* made a verbal contract with the public both through advertising and press releases, and they have not lived up to that contract. We can talk all day long about how much HD LiLs were going to be provided, and how important they are. Fine, that was one of the promises made by D*, so it looks like they are making good on that promise. But for the rest of us who have been with D* for a long time, and for those unfortunate enough to be lured to the D* side through promises of 150 National HD channels, there has been virtually nothing. So yes, that side of the promise has not been kept, and there is no amount of fudging with the numbers or lame ass excuses that are going to mean a hill of beans to those of us who feel we have been lied to.
  12. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Well... I started reading this thread... got to the end of the first page, and I can only scratch my head...

    Anyone who is disappointed with Directv because of what they have done with D11 so far is just not using logic when looking at the facts... most of which have already been pointed out, like the fact that we finally get ALL channels in HD and MPEG-4, instead of MPEG-2 HD choppy picture...

    One of my favorite arguments is.. Why didn't Directv start negotiating with people earlier... Are you kidding? DO you really think Directv didn't approach EVERYONE about 2 years ago or more and say, hey we are launching a couple new sats.. You want to be one of the first in HD? Its not like they had to hold back on the number of channels they where launching last september... Broadcasters were not ready yet.. And others wanted to "negotiate" when they got around to being ready... Some are owned by big enough companies, they said heck yeah.. we may not be ready to actually show much HD yet, but we want to make sure our station is on the system when we do start showing a lot of HD.. Thats a smart company, thinking ahead.. Even if Viacom is annoying the heck out of most people because they have so little HD right now...

    Reality is, D11 has dramatically expanded Directvs HD offerings, and most of the people complaining about it here are complaining because Directv did not cater to their specific needs rather than the needs of their overall customer base... Sorry, but more than one person pays for HD at Directv... I don't even care what gets added in HD at this point, as long as the keep adding something... which they are doing almost weekly...

    Look at it this way....

    Directv said they would be able to have up to 150 conus HD and 1500 HD LIL channels...

    They went from 0 to 130 plus in less than a year, I don't care what they show... so they are 86% of the way to 150...

    Do you think they are 86% of the way to 1500 HD LIL channels? I don't think so.... They are trying to get LIL really going too....

    Show me any cable company that supplies this much HD to the entire country.... And has this diverse of a clientel... With as many different "wants" and show me how well they are doing across the board... I bet that no one can even come close.. Their are only two companies really going crazy with HD still to this day to all their customers.. and thats Dish and Directv...
  13. jacmyoung

    jacmyoung Hall Of Fame

    Sep 8, 2006
    I bet people who want to see more national HDs constitute a much larger group of viewers than any other groups, if their needs are not at the front and center of D*'s effort, I agree it is a disappointment.

    I understand the point of contract negotiation, but if other providers had no problem with it, it is a lame excuse for D*. Nobody is saying D* is not doing great in adding new HD LILs, but we just do not buy all the excuses made for not having more national HDs. There is no technical reason not to add them, and there should be no contractual reason because others do not have such issue.

    So what is the real reason? I think it is because D* has been having a few good quarters lately, and there is less pressure to do more compared to say one year ago this time. One year ago D* was putting out press release after press release to assure everyone how many HD contracts had been in place and as soon as D10 was up folks would see them.

    There is no reason why D* cannot do the same now except last year D* was far behind in national HDs, now not so. That is the only reason. No other excuse will change that. Please do not tell me D* was such a contract negotiation master last year and suddenly lost all its magic this year.
  14. moob

    moob Legend

    Nov 19, 2008
    Thanks. :D

    That 70 count isn't outdated. I'm using the chart on AVS (I can't post a link yet...if someone else wants to help out here, please be my guest), but, not counting RSNs, PPV or locals, D* has 66 national HD channels (I was off by a couple channels...it would be a little over 70 with locals/FSN), Dish has 65, Verizon has 93 and AT&T has 71. TWC has 76, but only 11 of those are nationwide with 65 being limited.

    I'm staring directly at the chart, and I can stare directly at the channel line-up on Verizon's website and I can stare directly at the line-up on D*'s website. I'm not fooling myself. I know exactly what's available, and D* simply doesn't compare to FiOS right now. I know...sports. But as I said before, I'm happy with my local Lakers/Clippers games, and I want more movie channels.

    I don't understand this loyalty to a service provider. FiOS is only available to a small portion of the country, so of course you have to take their totals with a grain of salt, and of course, for the majority of the population D* or Dish are still the best options. But I'm not misinterpreting anything. I can read. I can see who has more HD nationals, and right now, it isn't D*...even though I wish they were since I'm stuck with them for another 15 months or so. lol

    Maybe I'm just sour because they suckered me into a 2-year contract with their bs, but I just expected more from D11.
  15. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Ask that question in any DMA with only SD or even NO locals at all... And we were all there at one point, so why should Directv treat anyone who they haven't gotten to as any less important than the ones they already have? They shouldn't, and they are not... That process was held up by technical and contract reasons for a long time... Now the technical reasons are mostly gone... The only reason that the actual NUMBER of people wanting LIL is possibly smaller than the ones that want conus is because there is a significant amount of people that already have their LIL's, so obviously they aren't going to ask for their lil's... Take away their LIL's and see what they say then... So for someone to say D11 is a disappointment simply, or only because they are trying to make the playing field level in all markets is being selfish...

    First off, I haven't actually heard once from Directv any reason why we do or do not have any channel in paticular.. (by the way, can you state your source that proves there are no technical reasons that they can't add ANY one of the HD channels in exsistance today?) So they aren't making excuses.. its all people with no real knowledge guessing... To say that you can't understand why one company can get a deal done and another can't with the same 3rd company, well, I guess you don't understand that sometimes, different carries are willing to do different things to get something accomplished, and while I have no inside information, I am sure there is some sort of reasoning behind it all... Look up the thread on comcast north west that carries the blazers and Ducks games... You will see that whole theory of one carrier has it, so anyone should be able to sign the same contract and carry it doesn't always hold water... Comcast wants more than Directv is willing to pay, but others are were willing to pay that price...

    People also assume that when Directv says they are going to have something that it will be up at any moment.. Sometimes, things take longer and we may never actually know why, but that doesn't mean they aren't working on it... I have just discover that my Local PBS is up in HD off of D10... its testing now... So are several others around the country.. We may not have them yet, but they are obviously working on it...

    Really? You don't think Directv feels the pressure now more than ever, with their churn up last month, and low and behold, other carriers in some of the bigger markets are starting to get in shooting range? I don't buy that for a second.. This was never a sprint to the finish.. its a marathon... I'd say they would probably launch D12 tomarrow if they could... If they want to stay the HD leader, they will add more channels, and not one thing Directv has done has gone against that obvious goal they have set for themselves... With the economy the way it is, I wouldn't be surprised if Directv was taking a harder stance with some companies and fees for HD feeds... Thats the only way I see them allowing having a few good quarters stop them from launching more HD channels... but not so they can spend less money...

    So can you tell me what the broadcasters that Directv is negotiating with are asking for in fees? I just don't get how it is you are so certain that Directv is dropping the ball, rather than maybe some of these broadcasters are asking for more than what Directv is paying others... And can you also tell me there are no politics between some of these companies involved? I have no real info, just like everyone else around here, including you, but I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the room when Directv and ESPN are discussing ESPNU... Disney is far more ruthless than people realize... I can only imagine how much more money they would like for ESPNU and maybe all their networks, after the announcement that ESPN now has all BCS games but the rose bowl broadcasting rights starting in a few years.. They have to get that money from somewhere....

    The reality is, I am not saying one way or the other why they haven't added more channels... It could be your reasoning, it could be something else... My point is, why is everyone so mad, and so positive they know its Directv being stupid or greedy... They have always been greedy, so thats not a good argument. You know what else, no matter what channels they add next, even if its 50 more tomarrow, someone else will still be mad because of one channel that the other guys have... Where does it end? When do people stop saying they are entitled to more channels, specifically the ones they want? Directv has not lit up 2 things YET that they have said they are going to.. more HBO's and PBS... And I will again point out, I know they are working on PBS.. and I don't think its out of line to say no one has said they are not working on HBO's, and they never gave us an actual date of when those are going to launch... SO am I thrilled they haven't rolled those channels out yet? No... I'd like to have them last month... But does that mean that their latest sat is a disappointment? NO..... People have set these expectations that they where going to launch all kinds of other channels... You know if they had launched AMC, and a bunch of other channels like that, and not NFL sunday ticket, and the huge bunch of additional RSNs and getting people MPEG-4 feeds of TNT, etc.. Then most of the people in this thread would be thrilled and happy, and most of the other population on this board would be saying how big a disappointment D11 is...
  16. Piratefan98

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    Mar 11, 2008
    Well, it's Thursday morning ...... any new National HD from the mighty D11 today??


  17. JayPSU

    JayPSU Godfather

    Jul 17, 2007
    That's all well and good, but what Directv was boasting about with regards to D11 was increasing to 150 national HD channels. All it has done in that regard basically is add PPV channels, and I'm sure they'll add more PPV so they can reach their 150 quota. But you, I, and everyone here knows that's not what was expected. So you can continue to spin this, but deep down I'm sure you know this is all spin. If this continues, many of us will be going elsewhere when are contract is up as the competitors are looking better and better every day with Directv doing nothing.
  18. petergaryr

    petergaryr Passed away April 24, 2010

    Nov 22, 2006
    I wouldn't have thought that onc post could have generated so many comments, but...wow.

    When I consider the OP's observation, I'll have to fall in with those who aren't disappointed.

    I get the impression that with some people the expectation is that whatever channel they turn to will be in 16X9 HD (minus the sidebars of a 16X9 signal broadcasting an upconverted SD program).

    Now, I love HD and it would be great if everything were so broadcast...but that will most likely never happen in my lifetime. Over the years things will certainly increase, but I liken it back to the introduction of color. The 1966-67 season was amazing because so many primetime shows were in color----though the rest of the day was all B&W. Now, 40 years later B&W has all but disappeared.

    I guess what strikes me the most though is where are people getting all of the time to watch even what is currently offered? I can manage 2, maybe 3 hours of viewing time a day. Especially in the Fall season, there are so many shows that I record that it sometimes takes days just to keep up with my favorites.

    While I will celebrate any new HD addition, I am far from disappointed in what we have. I guess it was because D10 was such a jump start that we went from a few to an amazingly large number of HD channels within a few months of its launch.
  19. scott72

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    Feb 17, 2008
    Ok, well you can knock that number down by 40 for me then, because I'm not a premium channel kind of guy. I think for the sake of debate we should take RSN's, PPV, and premium's out of both channel lineups and compare since not everyone is interested in all of them. I don't have time to do it now since I'm getting ready for work, so maybe someone else can do that or already knows.
  20. scott72

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    Feb 17, 2008
    As we've said over and over in this thread, the year isn't over so let's give them until Jan 1st and see what they've given us. Up to 150 HD channels was the promise by year's end, and the capacity for up to 200 in 2009.
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