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Time To Admit That D11 Has Been A Dramatic Disappointment?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by JayPSU, Nov 19, 2008.

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  1. swans

    swans Legend

    Jan 23, 2007
    I don't care about the premiums, and just to be a contrarian, I don't want DirecTV to waste HD bandwidth on them!:hurah:
  2. Hdhead

    Hdhead Hall Of Fame

    Jul 30, 2007
    Well, while the dust settles here I will be enjoying Bones and House tonight in glorious HD for the first time in my life. So I guess I owe my life to D11. Can't be more important than that.:roundandr
  3. swans

    swans Legend

    Jan 23, 2007
    My other choices are Mediacom :nono: and Dish. I don't see any advantage to either.

    Again to be contrarian, bring on more national HD.:grin:
  4. Brian Hanasky

    Brian Hanasky Godfather

    Feb 22, 2008
    Just to add another opinion to this discussion I am not completely disappointed with D11. I can't think of any channels that I am dying to get in HD. I would certainly take any new National HD channels that could be thrown my way but nothing sticks out in my head that makes me angry.

    As far as the premium channels in HD go I don't really care. I don't have premiums at this time as I find the selection of movies to be to redundant. I'm sure that if I had premiums I would want as many of them as possible in HD. To that extent I can understand the gripe others have made.

    What do I want from D11 or D12 for that matter? I want my locals in HD. I do not have any locals at all. My DMA is 159. I am on nobody's priority list. I would expect that most of the time the executives don't even think about a DMA that far down the list. I don't really expect to get locals on Directv any time soon but I would like to have locals. I do think that Directv is trying to get as many locals as possible. I think that contracts are a large part of the problem as is money. I do not know if the local receive facilities which need contructed in each DMA are the responsibility of the stations or Directv. If the LRF are the stations' obligation then I doubt my locals are in much of a rush to pony up the $ to contruct one.

    One thing I do think about LiL is that Directv needs to get as many markets lit as they can. I know people who like the idea of Directv but when you try to explain how they would go about getting CBS, NBC, FOX, and ABC they quickly lose interest. It seems to me that the average Joe doesn't want to mess with OTA or waivers. As a result they think about Directv for a bit but decide that cable is easier since all nationals are included.

    Just my opinion. I'm sure others will have a different view of things.
  5. MattDing

    MattDing AllStar

    May 11, 2008
    As usual with most issues there are a lot of people on each side when the actual problem lies right in the middle.

    "Drastic disappointment" is way over stating things. There is no question D11 has done a lot of good and had been a big increase in DirecTV's bandwidth which is always a good thing for all of its customers.

    On the other hand, there is also no question that, to date, DirecTV has over-promised and under-delivered when it comes to national HD programming.

    The important thing is to put yourself in the shoes of the "average Joe" DirecTV customer. The one that doesn't spend $400 a month for every service. The millions that have DirecTV because they can't get/don't want cable. The ones that don't read DBSTalk. They just see the commercials and want what they were "promised."

    Take Doug Brott's D11 breakdown from earlier in this thread:

    Break that down:

    HD Locals: awesome if your market was added. If not, you see nothing new
    MLB EI: Only seen by subscribers
    NFL ST: Only seen by subscribers
    Olympics: That was awesome for everyone but the games have been over for 3 months now
    NASCAR: Again, subscribers only
    Showtimes: You guessed it - subs only
    23 RSNs: Only if it was your market or you have the Sports subscription

    That leaves Planet Green and ABC Family as the only new, national HD channels that have been added since the switch was flipped.

    Sure, you know and I know that all that other stuff is there. A lot of those other people out there might have one or two of those packages I mentioned and see those benefits but more than likely not all of them.

    Again, put yourself in a regular DirecTV customer's shoes. You see DirecTV's commercials go from claiming 95 HD channels to 150. Right or wrong, they are expecting 55 new national HD channels and they've gotten two so far. It's not hard to see how people might be disappointed.

    The claims that D11 is a disappointment are not valid. Neither is sticking your head in the sand and not realizing that DirecTV marketing has written some checks that have yet to be cashed. They do have a track record for that and it does rub customers the wrong way.

    We laugh at Comcast's ridiculous claims that they have 500 HD "programs" at any time. And yet, to date, DirecTV has played the game as well. Just because it's not as crazy and over the top doesn't make it any more right.
  6. curt8403

    curt8403 Hall Of Fame

    Dec 27, 2007

    Very Nice, and I suppose that you think that On Demand offering on the HD DVR are a waste of Internet bandwidth?

    My only response is O.U.8.1.2. :lol: :lol: :lol: :) :sure: :D
  7. DarinC

    DarinC Hall Of Fame

    Aug 31, 2004
    True, but I don't think LIL is really the issue here. I don't think anyone is saying they shouldn't be doing LIL. National and LIL is handled by separate transponders, so doing LIL doesn't preclude doing national. It's the lack of "true" (non-ppv) national channel progress that most are disappointed with.
  8. jsmuga

    jsmuga Godfather

    Jan 3, 2008
    New Hope, PA

    Good job...
  9. DodgerKing

    DodgerKing Hall Of Fame

    Apr 28, 2008
    My answer to the thread question is this.

    Since D11 is no where near being finished with its use, one cannot conclude if it has been a disappointment or not.
  10. say-what

    say-what Active Member

    Dec 14, 2006
    New Orleans
    For everyone complaining about all the HD RSN's, well that was needed to allow DirecTV to deliver League Pass, Extra Innings, Center Ice and others in HD to everyone as were the channels set aside to deliver Sunday Ticket. Believe it or not, those subscription packages bring in a lot of subscribers which in turn helps keep the overall costs down.

    DirecTV does need to spread the wealth when it comes to HD. They just can't add every base channel in HD and get to the rest later.

    Also, they never promised anyone any specific channels when D11 was launched or went live, so it's not like they failed to deliver. It's just that people are disappointed based on their own unfounded expectations.
  11. Curtis0620

    Curtis0620 Hall Of Fame

    Apr 22, 2002
    All the channels are only seen by subscribers.
  12. DodgerKing

    DodgerKing Hall Of Fame

    Apr 28, 2008
    You forgot CIHD and FNC HD
  13. oldfantom

    oldfantom Icon

    Mar 13, 2006
    These threads always strike me as very interesting. Most of you are saying "I feel ... because.." Everyone of you is correct. Some of you are saying it very harshly (to me, "D* lied..." is an extreme case of "I feel ... because") If you include something that looks like data, and it is factually incorrect, you are corrected. But the data, for most of you, is not the same as the feeling.

    I wouldn't give two cents for food or travel HD. some of you love these channels. That's OK with me. I would like to have more HD, but I also have a DVR that is 58% full, so I am fine for now.

    I hope everyone of you gets exactly what you want soon. But I also know you won't. In the mean time, I will sit with my undergrad psych degree and marvel at the human interactions as skewed by the internet and know someone out there is thinking I just personally slammed them.
  14. DarinC

    DarinC Hall Of Fame

    Aug 31, 2004
    Well, the marketing department suggested 130 by fall, and 150 by year end. So the fall number was a disappointment because it mostly consisted of PPVs and sports subscription increases. Guess we'll have to wait another month to judge marketing's EOY number. I think I missed the ad spot that referenced "before it falls out of the sky". ;)
  15. man_rob

    man_rob Hall Of Fame

    Feb 21, 2007
    If DirecTV can count a PPV playing a single movie repeatedly, that is only available to watch at the beginning of each showing, with 1.5 to 3 hours downtime before the next available viewing of that one movie, as a channel, I don't see why you are slamming Comcast for counting a VOD, that is available when ever a person sits down to watch. DirecTV is just as guilty of fudging the numbers as other providers.
  16. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Yes sir, you are correct.

    Those other kinds of posts and subsequent thread postings wonderfully remind me that the year end typically brings out the "Year-End Trolls". :D :lol:
  17. Balestrom

    Balestrom Legend

    Jan 12, 2007
    I wouldn't be so quick to distinguish between marketing and DirecTV's intentions with D11.

    I understand that marketing is spin, and often times it is spin intended to make a negative into a positive or something small into something big. However, at the most basic point in marketing there has to be an element of truth. Without it, the company not the marketing department loses it reliability and trust.

    Personally, I'd guess that over half the frustration on this board is a result of our own expecatations not being met, which is not the blame to lay at the foot of DirecTV. But I do think some blame can also be established with DirecTV. Not just with marketing, but also with their stratgey or plans with D11.

    For example, I would like to know how many cable customers, dish customers etc.. saw the comercial with the lady saying soon 150 channels, looked at the mess they had with their current HD and then made the switch. Of course we won't ever know the number, but regardless I think there are many people who saw suggestions of that sort and inferred that future (D11) would bring those claims to our TV screens, new customers and existing customers.

    So at what point does marketing need to reflect the truth, and at what point does D11 need to reflect what is being marketed?

    My personal guess, the marketing back then reflected a previous market strategy with D11 and what we currently see on D11 reflects an altered strategy, based on what ever conditions got in the way. Just a guess.

    I also recognize that DirecTV did trim its marketing claims when D11 was launched. The questions that remain are; did they trim it enough and did they set the proper expectations with timeframes?

    Either way, D11 is reflection on DirecTV and so is marketing. Marketing says "here is all the wonderful things you will get with DirecTV", and D11 is the technology that makes it happen.

    Well enough of my rumbling. At some point when I get home tonight, I will plop myself in front of my big screen TV, turn on DirecTV and enjoy all the HD shows that I have recorded on my DVR and I will not be giving any thought to D11 or what could have or should have been. :D
  18. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Oh yeah.....anyone notice 6 more new HD LIL markets going live today....more D11 magic and clear advantage separation from the competition. Don't think that's the end you'll hear from D11 either...
  19. FHSPSU67

    FHSPSU67 CE'er & Retired Engineer DBSTalk Club

    Jan 12, 2007
    Windber, PA
    Certainly NO disappointment here. I'd been paying for basic cable since 1999 just to get my locals in SD. I got my LIL's this summer thanks to D11 (goodbye, cable). I'm happy:D
  20. Alan Gordon

    Alan Gordon Chancellor

    Jun 7, 2004
    Dawson, Georgia

    Am I disappointed in the amount of national HD channels D11 has brought us? Yes!

    Do I feel that D11 has been a "Dramatic Disappointment"? No!

    There has been multiple times I would have watched a show on (insert channel here) had DirecTV offered that channel in HD, so I'm disappointed in the lack of HD channels added, BUT...

    I also look at the fact that D11 has brought me ABC Family HD, MPEG4 simulcasts of Universal HD, HDNet Movies, HDNet, and of course, my favorites, CBS-HD East DNS and ABC-HD East DNS in MPEG4. I also look at the fact that while I'm not holding my breath for HD-LIL (I still don't have SD-LIL), all these markets added in HD mean they are one step closer to my DMA (#147), so hopefully I can get HD-LIL come D12.

    D11 may be a disappointment in some ways, but a dramatic one? No...

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