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Time Warner Cable tries metering Internet use

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by ricksterinps, Jun 2, 2008.

  1. Jun 4, 2008 #81 of 106

    machavez00 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 2, 2006
  2. Jun 4, 2008 #82 of 106
    rabit ears

    rabit ears Legend

    Nov 18, 2005
    Well, if you're talking about some kid downloading stolen movie content, you're probably right. In my case we're moving data, voice and video in huge amounts for legitimate business purposes and as a result are pretty much interested in speed over cost.

    I've had to force several of my team to drop a cable ISP because it was either too unreliable or too slow. If I have a $5 million product shipping and need a bunch of CAD documents before we can wrap it up and roll it on the truck, I could care less about anything but reliability and speed.

    I don't see the cable operators going to WiMax because it's a different infrastructure, but most of the Telco's have a wireless operation and know the ins and outs of how to make it work. Once WiMax becomes ubiquitous the cable guys are going to be stuck with grandma and grandpa and they'll be left holding the bag from an infrastructure battle they started.
  3. Jun 4, 2008 #83 of 106
    Ken S

    Ken S RIP

    Feb 12, 2007
    rabit ears,

    I don't think the ISPs care what the data is that is being moved. Customers that are paying approximately $50 a month and are using that connection all the time for large amounts of data are not their "best" customers. Those customers "cost" the most to service. This doesn't matter if you're on cable, DSL or a wireless.

    As for reliability and speed. I run a dual WAN router here with Comcast and AT&T DSL. Over the past year the uptime between the two is about equal...both are over 99%. We've had more trouble with AT&T because of their goofy port 25 rules...but that's another issue.

    Speed...Comcast is just plain faster than AT&T for me. Day or Night. They're both rated at 6mbps but when it comes to downloading large files Comcast is just faster. That's just here though.

    I have no great love of either provider as both have been a headache at times. We run both to assure ourselves connectivity as close to 100% of the time as possible.

    If my business really depended on speed and throughput I'd probably still have a dual WAN but would be using guaranteed/dedicated service. I think people that use consumer based internet services and then complain its hurting their business...well...what'd you expect? If a business letter is important I send it by a service I can track...if it's not I drop it in a mailbox.
  4. Jun 4, 2008 #84 of 106
    David MacLeod

    David MacLeod New Member

    Jan 29, 2008
    must be nice to have a choice :(
    sigh, maybe someday...
  5. Jun 4, 2008 #85 of 106

    HIPAR Icon

    May 15, 2005
    Now that we have established some background on this metering matter, how will it affect the plans of DirecTV, Netflix and everyone else counting on the availability of a 'Wild West' internet in their plans for riches?

    --- CHAS
  6. Jun 5, 2008 #86 of 106
    Jeremy W

    Jeremy W Hall Of Fame

    Jun 19, 2006
    I don't think VOD is part of DirecTV's "plans for riches" in any significant way. It's there mainly so that DirecTV can say that they have it.
  7. Jun 5, 2008 #87 of 106

    highheater Legend

    Aug 30, 2006
    and hence as I said

    Direct TV is wasting time, money, and effort in a game they can never win.

    so the next time we hear about how they have to raise their rates or have to recoup equipment costs, just remember the money being wasted here.
  8. Jun 5, 2008 #88 of 106

    gregjones Hall Of Fame

    Sep 20, 2007
    While not a way for DirecTV to make a lot of money, the same cannot be said for the broadcast and cable networks. For a lot of these networks, VOD becomes a second chance to sell ads and build viewership. Look at the recent announcement from HBO describing its plans for a broad offering in VOD.

    The cable company doesn't like a paying customer using their service to watch someone else's content. Oh, well. Let the market do its job. When cable companies impose a surcharge, switch to the phone company. Cable and phone companies really love the revenue generated from high-speed internet. As long as people want a service and are willing to pay a reasonable fee, the providers will find a way to provide it.

    In the meantime, complain loudly and often. Talk to the group in charge of the local cable franchise and let them have it.

    With a 10Mbps DSL connection, I get a lot of use out of DirecTV's VOD service just as it is. The local cable company doesn't even have a VOD offering.
  9. Jun 5, 2008 #89 of 106
    Jeremy W

    Jeremy W Hall Of Fame

    Jun 19, 2006
    You call it a waste, I call it a nice service to have.
  10. Jun 5, 2008 #90 of 106

    trekologer Legend

    Jun 30, 2007

    Youtube uses more bandwidth in a day than DirecTV on demand uses in a month. Are you seriously suggesting that if DirecTV ends DOD then all will be better?
  11. Jun 5, 2008 #91 of 106

    trekologer Legend

    Jun 30, 2007
    So far this month (the last 5 days) I have downloaded over 20GB and uploaded over 2GB. My usage hasn't been what I would consider to be heavy (no bittorrent, no big file downloads, mostly just web browsing and email). When I work from home through my company's VPN (occasionally) I can end up using over 20GB in about 8 hours. Is this abuse? Am I somehow stealing from my ISP?

    A 40GB per month cap (what TWC is in the process of implementing) is rediculously low. A lot of people are going to find that they use more than 40GB is one month. This is nothing more than a money grab by TWC. As I said before, its just a way for them to raise their rates without saying they raised their rates.
  12. Jun 9, 2008 #92 of 106

    dhines Godfather

    Aug 16, 2006
    does anyone have a source that confirms this 40GB per month figure? i find it hard reconciling their statements that only 5% of the users will be impacted by this change, yet capping it at 40GB.

  13. Jun 9, 2008 #93 of 106
    Bob Coxner

    Bob Coxner Icon

    Dec 28, 2005
    It's extremely discouraging for those of us who have no options on broadband. I'm lucky enough to even have cable broadband. It's only been available in my neighborhood for about 3 years. I don't have the faintest hope for DSL. I'm at least 6 miles away from the nearest switching office. I've talked to DSL techs at AT&T and they basically told me forget it forever. Time Warner is my ISP, so I'm very nervous about these tests they're running in Beaumont.
  14. Jun 9, 2008 #94 of 106

    trekologer Legend

    Jun 30, 2007

    Note that 40GB is the highest cap for their biggest speed package. The caps differ per speed tiers, starting at 5GB per month for the slowest.
  15. Jun 10, 2008 #95 of 106

    dhines Godfather

    Aug 16, 2006
    good lord. i would think a 40GB cap would impact more than half the user base. seems like a very stupid business decision on their part. i use time warner cable, but i actually have earthlink by way of time warner. i wonder if this will ever impact users like me, i am thinking no.

    either way, i don't expect this change to stick . . . as no one in their right mind will take this over DSL. on the other hand, comcast's cap of 250GB seems tollerable. it wouldn't shock me one bit if a cap of 250GB sticks.
  16. Jun 10, 2008 #96 of 106

    trekologer Legend

    Jun 30, 2007
    Actually, from their standpoint, its a very smart business descision for them. They get to charge their customers more for the same service while at the same time being able to say they didn't raise their rates and have some of their customers think its actually a good thing...until they get their bill. TWC sees the $$$$$.
  17. Jun 13, 2008 #97 of 106

    davring Hall Of Fame

    Jan 13, 2007
  18. Jun 13, 2008 #98 of 106

    bidger Hall Of Fame

    Nov 19, 2005
    Pffft...it's like when one multichannel provider raises their rates, they all fall in line right behind.
  19. Jun 20, 2008 #99 of 106

    boxster99t AllStar

    Mar 9, 2008
    Me too but RR only. As it is, I very nearly switched to Fios but didn't because it would not save me any money. Of course, different story if I get charged some form of over the limit fee, which seems unlikely. I'd be on to Fios as quickly as I could set up a Saturday install.
  20. Steve Mehs

    Steve Mehs Hall Of Fame

    Mar 21, 2002
    You are using Business Class service right? I guess not. I'm a bandwidth hog myself, but not that bad, if I were doing what you're doing I'd get off a residential connection.

    It is my hope a personal belief nothing comes of this and this whole test thing is just a test in a small Texas town, but if I goes go nationwide, I'll switch to Road Runner Biz Class Service where all this won't apply. I'll be damned if I ever leave TW.

    And no I don't believe this is a way to increase rates, RR has never increased in price here, while speed has tripled. My cost has actually decreased. I used to pay $85 for Road Runner Premium at 6Mb Down/512Kb up, now I pay $50 for 15Mb Down/1 Mb up. If they wanted in increase rate, there's no reason for rates to stay about the same for the past ten years on standard service, this is just an attempt at bandwidth management.

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