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Tired of shows getting chopped!

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by SingleAction, Sep 27, 2012.

  1. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    You're 100% on this one... IF Dish is rounding down (as opposed to rounding up) then that would cause some problems too... and you're right, Dish could address this... though I wonder if there is an underlying reason why they don't do anything but 5 minute changes in the Dish EPG... maybe they've tried and it introduced more problems than it fixed?
  2. cj9788

    cj9788 Hall Of Fame

    May 14, 2003
    This is exactly right at least on my 722. Regardless of a manually entered start early/end late or the default option Back to back timers on both my tuners ignore the padding and fire the next timer exactly on the hour or 1/2 hour. The only time the padding works is when there is no other timer set to go off at the end of the show i am watching.

    The problem for me and what I am doing different than you is i have both tuners recording on some nights from 8pm to midnight. Back to back shows some on same channels some on different ones. Since all tuners are in use all the time the DVR has to ignore the padding and fire timers exactly on the hour. The only time padding works is when one of the tuners will be inactive when the other tuner finish recording.

    One night of the week i do not have overlaps so i use the west coast feeds and never miss the ends of anything, but with so many shows on that i record coming on at the same times and on different networks my DVR is very busy.
  3. festivus

    festivus Legend

    Nov 9, 2008
    This past Thursday was horrible for me and my 622.

    3 recordings on 3 different networks, not all at the same time.
    Wanted to watch the football game live.
    At some points, ending timers at 9:00, beginning timers at 9:00.
    But due to the issues you guys are noting, I end all shows 2 minutes late. So for a 2 minute overlap I needed all 3 tuners. 1, 2 and OTA for recordings. Then of course the recording that gets bumped to tuner 1 completes it's entire hour plus on tuner 1. So no football.

    I ended up having to skip a recording on the first DVR and move it to my second DVR.

    To make this issue worse, I lost my CBS local affiliate 3 weeks or so ago. So all of the CBS recordings have to be manual timers OTA. What a mess. Every day I have to check an online guide and adjust my DVR timers.

    Also, it would be nice if networks didn't air all of the most popular shows on Thursdays.
  4. FarmerBob

    FarmerBob Godfather

    Nov 27, 2002
    I'm glad that this conversation is finally happening. I have been "bitching" about it for years and since there were "no other complaints", mine was a moot point as per all the reps I have spoken to. I keep telling myself that I'll give it a little longer . . . But it's now taking more time to babysit timers than get the fare online when I want and watching it. Netflix and Vudu are cheaper per month and far more reliable.
  5. Kevin Brown

    Kevin Brown Godfather

    Sep 4, 2005
    As others have noted, this is not Dish's fault.

    It's the networks purposefully trying to screw people who routinely DVR shows.

    With that said, I really like the idea of being able to shift everything forward by a min or 2.

    Or, a potentially easy fix for Dish would be to allow negative start time adjustments for shows. So instead of the default 1 min early, 3 min late, you could start a show -2 min "early" at the beg, 2 min late at the end, record shows back to back, and not miss any of the "sloppage" time from the networks.
  6. FarmerBob

    FarmerBob Godfather

    Nov 27, 2002
    I did the same testing with DTV and Comcast (clients that want to move to DISH, but I won't let them because of this) and with no special tweaking all programs recorded in their entirety as they should have, when they should have and had accurate accountings of their real time length, and I did not have to spend more than a couple of seconds setting up a timer and no babysitting of that timer. Also the timers accurately showed the exact time of the program when recorded and in the pending timer. I too saw 0:01 and whatnot on the ending and beginnings of program listings, timers and recorded shows. That does not happen on DISH.

    I have always thought that DISH had the better hardware and TiVo the better software. Guess we're all finding that out now. Just took a hundred of so pictures off my camera of EPG and Timer inaccuracies. Someday I'll have to make a gallery of this. But the more I dig into them the more pissed off I get. It's not pretty.
  7. inazsully

    inazsully Icon

    Oct 3, 2006
    I agree that it's the networks purposefully screwing up the times but come on, If dish can come up with auto skip for commercials (and really pissing off these same networks) on the new Hopper they should be able to figure out how to compensate for what the networks are doing here.
  8. FarmerBob

    FarmerBob Godfather

    Nov 27, 2002

    But they can't because TiVo would sue them for infringement. OF WHICH if Charlie had bought TiVo a couple of Springs ago we wouldn't be here talking about this, and he'd have a ton of pending TiVo lawsuits in his favor and none against him. But I guess Hughes Aerospace and Blockbuster are more important.
  9. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    PTAT and AutoHop does that.

    PTAT allowing the recording of up to four local networks (including the overlaps).
    AutoHop trimming the program to air just before the start to just after the finish.
    Record two programs in a row that overlap and each recording is the full program.
  10. Mike109

    Mike109 Legend

    Jun 28, 2010
    To get around this I've been doing a manual timer set to record 2 more hours than needed. It may be a little bit cumbersome to keep track of what is recorded because the recorded program will be called 60 minutes & run for several hours. But I get everything & only use one tuner.
  11. Kevin Brown

    Kevin Brown Godfather

    Sep 4, 2005

    I have to remember that. Now, I just try and make sure that nothing butt-ends up against my favorites on a different channel, so I indeed get the +3 min at the end. But my way is very labor intensive.

    Don't Dish CSR people peruse these threads? This would seem to be an easy thing to fix.
  12. fudpucker

    fudpucker Godfather

    Jul 23, 2007
    NW Iowa
    One reason I have not pursued Hopper/Joey is that, with my 3 DVRs (2 612s and a 722) I have 6 tuners, 4 of which I often need on a busy night, and I know that Hopper only had 3 tuners. However - am I understanding that Hopper only takes up one tuner to record all 4 network's prime time programming, leaving me 2 free tuners to pick up the shows on, say, TNT or USA, etc?

    OH - also, wrt the feature that records all of the prime time shows for the networks: If I go to save, let's say, NCIS, because I will not be able to watch it within the 8 days that I understand this is stored, and NCIS goes a minute over, will the saved NCIS from PTAT have the last minute cut off?
  13. patmurphey

    patmurphey Godfather

    Dec 21, 2006
    Lots of posts in this and other forums - if you want 6 tuners, just get 2 Hoppers and one Joey with the same monthly fees as a Hopper and 2 Joeys. Also, less than you are paying now with more whole home features.

    If you have a problem with saving shows that might have the end cut off, you can set regular timers on a Hopper with PTAT turned off -you don't need it on both. You can also set a timer for a PTAT show with extended time and unskip it on the daily schedule and it will use another tuner to give you that extended time.
  14. djlong

    djlong Hall Of Fame

    Jul 8, 2002
    New Hampshire
    I had a couple of ViPs but I would have to put the same timers on both machines if I wanted to watch stuff in the bedroom.

    That was the real clincher in the Hopper/Joey setup for me. I only had to record stuff in ONE place and could watch it anywhere. Over time, I'm discovering I don't need 5 tuners. PTAT has made 3 tuners work for me (so far). I have a 2H/3J setup and I've yet to watch anything on the second Hopper.

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