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Tivo and Liberty Media

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by faust0068, Oct 11, 2007.

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  1. Tugboat

    Tugboat Duplicate User (Account Closed)

    Jul 11, 2007
    Personal attacks? I'd say people who voice their displeasure with Directv/HR20 have seen that side of the coin just as well, if not moreso.

    As for posting about issues, I'd love to know the number of posts on DBSTalk about problems that have yet to be solved/resolved.

    Doesn't anyone on DBSTalk get tired of doing/posting the same things over, and over, and over here? Apparently not.

    Oh, your two links to threads I started. The first one, I did not start (check it), and the other was nothing more than a headline and a link to a news story. In fact, I tried to "fix" the headline (to make it more accurate) using the Advanced Editing function, but it never worked.

    So if you have other evidence that my threads (sorry, but I haven't really started many to be honest) are direct attacks on poor defenseless Directv or the moderators, please list them accurately. Neither of the two you posted are on point based on your statement.
  2. Canis Lupus

    Canis Lupus You make it, We break it

    Oct 16, 2006
    No - apparently not. We're still here trying to help people.

  3. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    Boy .. I get busy for a day and the heat is on. Maybe we can cycle this thread back around to TiVo and Liberty Media. Perhaps we can all take a short breather so that cooler heads can prevail.

    So, please :backtotop
  4. Tugboat

    Tugboat Duplicate User (Account Closed)

    Jul 11, 2007
    Yeah, helping people. That's what DBSTalk is all about. Helping people. I completely forgot.

    Funny, but I have dozens of gadgets, consumer electronics and other machines, from telephone systems to digital audio players, laptop computers to plasma television sets, all over this house. And none has ever (nor will ever) require the amount of help people seem to need using Directv's new DVR lineup. Oh, and that goes for the two R10s still chugging along, nary a missed recording, etc. And please, no one needs to report how their old DVR player didn't work, etc. I have seen that posted over and over again here in defense of the HR20. That dog won't hunt.

    Doesn't it strike you as odd that for more than a year, people have to keep coming to DBSTalk to get help (and we're not taking usability tips) because their HR-20s/R-15s fail to fulfill their basic function - reliably recording video to view on their TV sets.

    No, keep up the good work helping others, because with Directv's pathetic DVR+ product line, people definitely need it. And Directv can't seem to figure it out for itself.
  5. Tugboat

    Tugboat Duplicate User (Account Closed)

    Jul 11, 2007
    All cool here. The discussion was about Tivo and Liberty Media. A guy posted something about how he heard Directv was going to dump the HR20 development on a third party, and he was attacked for even breathing such blasphemy.
  6. djstough

    djstough AllStar

    Nov 26, 2006
    And this is no different than those of us that post that we haven't seen X issue, and get flamed and told that we are kow-towing to D*.

    I have "free" equipment, too. I haven't paid for a reciever in years, that I recall. Does that mean I am not going to be critical? Absolutely not. Anyone who knows me, knows that I will be critical of anyone/anything that deserves criticism.

    I personally have had a GREAT relationship with my three HR20's. It is a PITA to have to go to my daughter's room and deal with her Tivo (the last remaining one in my house.) That thing is slow, and antiquated. Now I'll get flamed for that...

    Oh, well. There are people who think GM builds great cars and trucks. There are people who won't buy anything not Japanese. I don't think any of them are "wrong". They just have differing opinions on what is right for them.

    Do I get upset that my car is recalled for some minor problem (or major problem)? No, I am glad that these things are identified and being corrected. If a product (any product) came out of the door perfect, why replace it? If the original Tivo was the end-all, why the Series 3? You mean they didn't build the first one to handle HD or Cablecards? What were they thinking? I bet they thought they'd get them out to the customers who wanted them, and adjust accordingly!
  7. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

    Jun 18, 2006
    I need to put on my fancy "moderator hat" for a minute, please forgive my while I adjust it "just right"...

    It's great to have an open forum for discussing what we like and dislike. Here at DBSTalk we encourage everyone to express his or her opinion, as long as it's an opinion, not any sort of personal attack. It's a personal opinion to be happy or unhappy with the service and hardware you're getting... it's an attack when you are intolerant of someone else's happiness or unhappiness.

    I'm not singling anyone out here, I'm just saying let's not "go there."

    I'm asking the kind people here... to be the kind people here. Let's not make it personal for anyone. There have been a lot of things said in this thread and there's a lot of good conversation to be had. Let's not get mean, ok?

    Sorry, mod hat's off now, I said my piece.
  8. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

    Jan 21, 2003
    Perhaps *you* haven't needed help but there are forums out there dedicated to every device known to man. There are several forums dedicated to just problems with televisions, cell phones, mp3 players of all brands. Heck there is an entire forum dedicated to nothing but remotes! Not to mention the widely used Tivo Community dedicated to helping people with Tivos. And hundreds of people flock to these forums every day for help, advice and community.

    All I'm pointing out is that if you think only the HR20 users need help and advice you are sadly mistaken and ill informed.

    Why won't it hunt? Is it blind? :rolleyes: Hmmmm, methinks you have never visited the Dish network forums or the Replay TV forums or the Tivo forums to see plenty of people with problems with all of those. To think otherwise is again being ill informed.
  9. Tugboat

    Tugboat Duplicate User (Account Closed)

    Jul 11, 2007
    Not on this level, not a chance. I regularly visit a headphone forum and other product forums, sure, but they aren't even in the same league as this one when it comes to problem threads with a single specific product. Not even close. You can compare it all you want to other forums, but no device has generated as many problems threads, software updates, etc. The HR20 is king of that hill.

    Did I see somewhere that the next CE is coming soon (what number is this one? I gave up on the CE process months ago)? And what's the most important element? Why, stability, according to one poster on that "anticipation" thread. Stability fixes? More than a year later. The HR20 is alone at the top of the problem thread kingdom. Nothing comes close relative to the number of users/owners (I mean renters).

    I have visited a forum for my plasma TV, to learn about a new firmware download. Twice.

    I know, nothing is as complicated as the HR20. But that's no excuse.

    Oh, and I have owned a, dare I say it, Tivo for 7 years (in one form or another). Guess how many times I have visited the Tivo Community Forum? Never.

    No, the HR20/R15 duo is alone at the top.

    And Liberty Media is hopefully going to do something about it (wanted to stay on topic).
  10. Earl Bonovich

    Earl Bonovich Lifetime Achiever

    Nov 15, 2005
    Yah know.....

    If the HR20 was a set of headphones... yes, I would say this amount of discussion and issues... for something that does 1 thing... would be a lot... but regardless the HR20 and DVR's in general... are complex systems....

    So yes.. this the nTH CE release... but so what? Who cares if they have 100 builds in between the national releases... as that is the goal... to get the unit even closer to perfection....

    And if you think the HR20 is alone with issues...
    Spend some time over in the TiVocommunity.

    The "premier" DVR... is having plenty of issues with their latest products... and their software.. .which they have been working on now for almost a decade...
  11. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    Sorry to be the stinker on this one, but it's time to put this one to bed ..
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