Tivo and Liberty Media

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  1. Doug Brott

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    Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that to get HD in an integrated box with DIRECTV, you need an HR20. If you want to be completely independent, then go with OTA and an open source server .. doesn't have the content I want so I'm not going there.
     
  2. jjohns

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    I certainly understand the time and effort that this community has put in to try and right this ship. And it is to be commended. But there are also those of us that see things a little differently and please... it has nothing to do with Tivo. I promise. I'm not tied to any of these corporations and I genuinely could care less if they all went bankrupt tomorrow. These are inanimate, uncaring mega-everything giant corporations that care about one thing and one thing only. Money. Anyone who thinks differently, to give the benefit of the doubt, is just naive. If they could get their bug-introduced product tested quicker and fixed cheaper, they would dump this community in a heartbeat. Do you really think differently?
     
  3. tuff bob

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    its very tough for big media companies to get out of that kind of mindset.
     
  4. Jhon69

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    Well you wouldn't think they would,but Tivo's CEO was quoted that he was hoping it would with Liberty Media.Everything is speculation unless D* sees that
    they are losing too many subscribers because of Tivo.But myself I don't see any change and by that I mean the ones who want to change will go to the HR20 and
    the ones who don't will stay with their DirecTivos.;)
     
  5. Doug Brott

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    Agreed, and if someone is still happy with Standard Definition, TiVo is still an option albeit via the secondary market.
     
  6. tuff bob

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    yup. my wife won't let me HD the bedroom because she hates the HR20 more than she likes HD.
     
  7. cuibap

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    The way you said, seems like you never work in a corporate environment. If their development team is bad, they just go out and hire new ones. I'm sure they can fine the best one out there if they want it to. The option to outsource the hardware to 3rd party is not on the table, IMO, since this is proprietary piece of equipment.

    In the beginning, I didn't like the software either and voiced my opinion about the HR20 development team's skill, but now they are getting much better and I like it a lot even though they still have some more work to do.

    There is always trade offs in life since you have limited budget. For some, one thing is better than others. That's where priority comes in play. In D* point of view, they decide NOT to have DLB for the obvious reason: it's LOW on their priority list! And they are the ones who make the call, not you, not me. If you don't like their priority, find other services, period. For me. I like DLB but only when I have multi-room view option.

    My advice to you, grow up!
     
  8. marksman

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    I have not used the S3 Tivos, but unless a new tivo had the conflict resolution, one touch record, always watching tv, that I get now, I don't want a TiVo. Throw in space used meter as well.
     
  9. morgantown

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    The DirecTiVos are awesome. If they offered a MPEG-4 capable unit at a comparable price I would be highly interested. The wife acceptance factor with the TiVo is exceptional -- just depends what you are accustomed to.

    That said, the HR20 is pretty darn good. My early experience with the R15 was not so good at all. In comparison to the early R15 software, the HR20 is light-years ahead of where the R15 was when it initially rolled out.
     
  10. marksman

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    That is my feeling.. When I had DLB I maybe used them 2x a year, when I was goofing around.

    I don't watch anything live.. I can watch two shows at the same time if I desired to do that, with or without DLB.

    I want to video tape how some people use the DVRS that the demand here is so high for DLB on the HR20.

    Part of me almost wants to say you are doing it wrong. :)
     
  11. cartrivision

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    Not to mention that a DirecTV user would then also need to activate two HD receivers at additional monthly cost for each receiver (and possible additional one time upfront lease fees) in addition to the monthly cost of the Tivo service on the standalone Tivo box which will be at least another $13 per month unless you do a multi-year pre-pay plan.

    The best Tivo service deal anywhere is DirecTVs unlimited number of Tivos on a single account that essentially costs $6 per month for the first Tivo and $5 per month for each additional Tivo (to cover the additional DirecTV receiver mirror charge).
     
  12. marksman

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    Your parents are like a lot of people who have not managed to finagle control of their own lives away from the tv. I used to be a slave to the TV and have to plan my life around it. Once you learn to record everything and watch it when you want, you will experience total freedom from TV. You will have control of your life.

    Problem is people are engrained with old habits, and it is sometimes hard to change. So they continue to let the TV dictate their life, or else they just settle for whatever inferior content is on at the time they have available to watch tv.
     
  13. Peapod

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    Let's say you want to watch NFL games on both CBS and Fox that are on at the same time, and for a variety of reasons you want to be done with both games around the time that they finish.

    I do this actually with football games in-season on both Saturdays and Sundays (although this year with HD Red Zone things have changed on Sundays).

    Here is how I used to do it with a TiVo:

    1. Tune to CBS.
    2. Press pause.
    3. Press direction down.
    4. Tune to Fox.
    5. Press pause and wait about 10 minutes.

    6. Watch game, FFing through commercials and some of the breaks between plays, until I get live or close to live.
    7. Press pause.
    8. Press direction down.
    9. Repeat from step 6, until both games finish.

    I pretty much avoid commercials throughout both games, except often during halftimes, when I usually take a break.

    Now, here is how I do it using an HR20:

    1. Tune to CBS.
    2. Press record.
    3. Tune to Fox.
    4. Press record.
    5. Press menu.
    6. Press select.
    7. Press direction down.
    8. Press select.
    9. Press pause and wait about 10 minutes.

    10. Watch game, FFing/30SecSlipping through commercials and some of the breaks between plays, until I get live or close to live.
    11. Press pause.
    12. Press menu.
    13. Press select.
    14. Press direction down once or twice, depending on which game I need to switch to.
    15. Press select.
    16. Repeat from step 10, until both games finish.

    17. Optionally, if games go over, I go to the guide and record the following showing, which involves a number of keypresses.
    18. I also need to delete the recorded shows at their end, which involves a few keypresses.

    Both initial setup and game watching require about twice the number of steps, and many more keypresses. For this type of viewing, TiVo functionality is significantly optimal to me, and although it's not the end of the world, it is a constant reminder to me that it was less of a hassle on my old box.

    Am I doing it wrong? Do you or does anyone else have any thoughts on how to do it better, while still being close to live? (There are many reasons I want to be close to live, two of them are gamebreaks which spoil other game results, and phone calls and text messages from friends relating to game content).

    What is watching 'live' anyway? I don't really consider what I do to be watching live, but dual live buffers seem to make it a lot easier.
     
  14. RehabMan

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    You might be able to eliminate step 11, the pause before switching games, because that will happen automatically as soon as you switch to the other game.
     
  15. Peapod

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    Good point. I was trying to recall from memory, and I don't normally hit pause before switching to the other game.
     
  16. jkast

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    Just to add to the spice: My wife does not like remotes and is usually happy when I drive the TV at home (as long as I navigate to a show she wants to see). She did however learn to use the TiVo remote.... So I thought she would be very resistant to the HR20s we got 2 months ago.

    I was wrong.

    She tells me she finds the HR20 remote easier to use.... So much for the wife acceptance factor favoring TiVo in my home.

    I still prefer the TiVo interface, but content is king and the HR20s have the content....
     
  17. bonscott87

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    Once you have started playing both from the menu then I believe you can just use the Prev button to swap between the two from that point on. At least the 2 times I tried it that way it worked (long ago).
     
  18. Peapod

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    Just tried that with ESPN and ESPN2. I started recording ESPN, tuned to ESPN2, started recording, via menu started watching ESPN, then via menu started watching ESPN2. When I hit Prev, it switched me to the live version of ESPN2. Essentially jumped forward a few minutes on the channel I was watching. No good.

    This would be a GREAT way for things to work, if DirecTV is listening...hint hint. :)
     
  19. aramus8

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    I am tired of seeing post after post about Tivo being the good guys and D* being the mean old greedy corporation when it is actually the other way around. Tivo couldn't be satisfied with selling their boxes to D* at a reasonable profit. They also wanted a monthly fee for the box. A pretty big incentive for D* to build their own. Their business model was flawed from the start. Even on the regular Tivos, let's see, I buy the box, then pay you a monthly fee if I want it to work. To add insult to injury, a couple of years ago the geniuses at Tivo eliminated long distance toll free service for their boxes to call back in certain areas. My neighbor showed me his Tivo phone bill, $83. His smashed Tivo went in the dumpster. Tivo's problems are their own doing. In five years when you see a business headline that says "Tivo in Bankruptcy, Motorola Buys Patent Rights" or in ten years when you ask some one about Tivo and they reply "wasn't that one of those cute little radios?", it won't be D*'s fault. It will be the greed of the Tivo business model which will be to blame.
     
  20. techrep

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    Interesting prediction. I hope that you are wrong.
     
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