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Tivo is so clearly superior

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by mganga, May 24, 2007.

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  1. oldguy1

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    I have had 2 hr20's since December 2006 and NEVER has a BSOD. Nor have I had any of the many problems others have had.

    Could be later units were just made better than the early one, or maybe a lot of operator error.
     
  2. Nofences

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    Whoa, Whoa, Whoa....

    Let's not get hasty! Just cause some people like to find things to argue about, dont punish the rest of us!

    I liked my Tivo's, I like my HR20's. Each has their benefits, but I couldnt do without commercial skip and watching what I want when I want to. Some of us work during Primetime!

    I say ditch em both and BRING BACK REPLAY-TV! LOL

    (That last part is strictly sarcasm, please don't respond with a bunch of "even Replay-TV would be better than the HR20" comments!)
     
  3. BobV

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    If I am not mistaking,, I think D* is going to launch a rocket soon to destroy
    all the D-Tivo's!!!
    Code named D10. :grin:
     
  4. SDizzle

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    Yep !rolling
     
  5. Rich

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    I speak American English and Electrician. At my advanced age the last thing I need is to have to learn an iconic dialect. Sorry if I misunderstood you.

    You might wonder about the Electrician language. Each craft has it's own sub-language. If you were to wander into a conversation concerning an electrical problem or job, etc. being held by electricians you would have a great deal of trouble understanding what sounds like English. For instance, if I asked you to hand me an LL would you have the vaguest idea what I was talking about? I just figured out what LOL means recently. :confused: Oh, I see how that works. :hurah:

    Wait, I found a whole bunch of them.:dance01: :preach: :jumpingja !pu****! :box: :listenup: :goodjob:

    I must thank you for this! I shall have to tell Fred.
     
  6. Rich

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    I have often wondered about the "operator error" factor and also whether geography has something to do with it. I find it hard to believe that Earl suffers from "operator error", but have no problem attributing OE to many folks. I have a feeling that Earl's location in or near Chicago may have something to do with it. Or am I completely wrong? I am going to start looking at locations on the threads and see if I can see a pattern.

    Taught adult computer classes for many years and I firmly believe that most computers are incapable of making mistakes. For instance you could spend the rest of your life trying to get Excel to give you a false answer if the correct inputs are made. Will not happen. And I realize that Excel is an application not a computer, but it is an application powered by a computer.

    Computers do suffer "nervous breakdowns" if misused. If I was teaching a class in a computer lab that had 40 Dells (the college I taught at used Dells exclusively) I would be surprised to find 20 functioning. All because they were abused by students or the IT department. And no matter what was done to those abused computers they were never the same again.

    Which leads me to this question to Earl: Are you doing all this beta testing on a single unit? I know several people who do beta testing on computers and they constantly have problems with a lot of their software.

    What kind of TV do you have? I am relentless, I will find out.
     
  7. Jeremy W

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    Computers are incapable of making mistakes. They will do exactly what they are told, every time. The problem is, the people telling the HR20 what to do (DirecTV programmers) are human, and they can make mistakes.
     
  8. Ken S

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    Unless of course they fail.
     
  9. Jeremy W

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    Well yeah. I'm assuming that the hardware is working correctly.
     
  10. Earl Bonovich

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    You mean the CE's?

    Well prior to the releae of the -100, I had two of them going...
    But now I just have the one -700 and the -100...

    Both of which function just fine.
     
  11. oldguy1

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    I think it highly unlikely that Earl is prone to OE, except on Friday night after being out with the boys hugging a few Buds. And, being in or near Chicago makes that a good probability :lol:

    His -200 is probably much older than mine.

    My TV is a Toshiba 30HF83. I incorrectly stated it was a 27" set earlier.
     
  12. Rich

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    See how easy that was? Now if I could just remember why I wanted to know in the first place.

    The other thing I am really curious about is your age. Would be a hoot if you were in your twenties and had everybody fooled all this time. And I do love a good hoot!
     
  13. gregftlaud

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    i have to say overall right now i liked my hr10 better mostly because of dual buffers and the tivo guide i like so much better. however, the hr20 does has many advantages such as the ability to go right into the guide and hit the record button on something u want to record. and the setting up a recording process is 1000 times faster than on the hr10. one thing i dont miss about the tivo is the annoying please wait clock up in the corner of the screen! also the hr10's remote seems a bit more easy to use than the hr20's but maybe it's just because it's all new to me. i have to say right now after 5days of use i would lean towards the hr10 about 60 percent and give the hr20 a 40percent in terms of a scale of how i like one over the other.
     
  14. Rich

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    Are we really positive that computers NEVER make mistakes? I have had some pretty strange things happen to me with various electrically powered objects. For instance, I bought a toaster (the brand escapes me) that had a "bagel" feature on it. For a while it functioned perfectly, then I noticed that some bagels were coming out burned. I watched it and it worked perfectly. I watched it toast bagels, bread, etc. and everything was toasted perfectly.

    Stopped observing and just put a bagel in and left the room and came back when I heard the toaster pop. Burned bagel. Put in another bagel and watched it toast perfectly. Over a period of months I became convinced that if I observed the toaster performing it's task, the toaster worked perfectly, if I ignored it, it burned the bagel or bread. Told my wife. Showed my wife. She became convinced that I was doing something to the toaster to make it behave differently whenever I wanted it to.

    Showed my fifteen year old son. With perfect logic he said "so watch it". I explained to him that there was no logical reason for this to happen. He said, "so you think the toaster is possessed?". He then proceeded to tell his friends about the "possessed toaster".

    That happened two years ago. I threw the thing out and bought a new toaster and have had no problems since.

    My point is that we don't know what these things are capable of. I believe a computer is pretty close to perfect, but how do you explain that toaster?

    I have a lot of strange electrical stories that nobody has ever been able to explain to me. Other electricians, electrical engineers, etc. Stymied.

    Not trying to start an argument, by the way. Your comment just piqued my interest.
     
  15. Jeremy W

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    I have no idea, but I'm sure there is a perfectly reasonable explaination. Your study of it never went beyond watching/not watching, so there isn't any real data to look at.
     
  16. veryoldschool

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    Should have given the toaster to Fred. :D
     
  17. Rich

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    Just curious. I used to know a guy who did a lot of beta testing of apps and things for Macintosh and he was always getting new computers from Macintosh because the beta testing screwed up the Macs to the point where they wouldn't work properly. Hard to screw up a Mac. We always assumed that Macintosh was minutely examining the old screwed up Macs he sent back when he got the new replacement.

    Seems curious that I have never had a blank recording. And I have had 14 units in the last 7 months. New and refurbs. Never have had one unit longer than a month or two. Do other guys who do this beta testing (or what ever you call the pre-released upgrade) have the same experience with blanked out recordings?

    We never did find out why the beta testing screwed up the Macs. The guy that was doing it could not speak at our level of computer knowledge. He was way out there, but he could make a Mac sing.
     
  18. Rich

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    Can you think of why that would happen?

    Fred awaits Jennie.
     
  19. Earl Bonovich

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    Nope... at least not in my case.

    I am on the exact same system I got in early August (the one that the review was done on).... I have never done a full system format on it.

    It has been my primary DVR since early September...

    And I think in the 9 months, I have had one blanked out recording... and it has been a very long time (pre 2007), since I had that.
     
  20. Diana C

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    The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applied to bagels!

    The observer is part of the system, and can not help but have an influence upon the system. IOW, the act of observing changes the behavior BECAUSE of the observation.

    This may also explain why one person has great success with the HR20, while others have no end of trouble.
     
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