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Tivo Lawsuit: Federal Court Blocks Injunction for the Length of the Appeals Process

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Curtis52, Aug 17, 2006.

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  1. Feb 2, 2007 #341 of 456
    Geronimo

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    I must have missed that. When did DISH start adding more net new subs than D*.
     
  2. Feb 2, 2007 #342 of 456
    BNUMM

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    I believe during the 3rd quarter of 2006 Skyreport had an article stating that D* had 190,000+ (can't remember the exact numbers) and E* had a little over 200,000. I don't think it came out to 40% more. I believe it would be in late Sept. or early Oct. archives for Skyreport.
     
  3. Feb 3, 2007 #343 of 456
    Greg Bimson

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    Geronimo, BNUMM and harsh are correct, to a point. During the last available quarter numbers (third quarter, 2006) Dish Network added about 40 percent more net new subs than DirecTV. However, over the past four years or so, it has largely been a wash.

    BNUMM, I'll try to find that article.
     
  4. Feb 3, 2007 #344 of 456
    harsh

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    In other words, since the advent of HD, Dish has been adding subscribers at a much higher rate. Obviously, delivering the goods has been good to Dish Network.

    Now if DirecTV can turn it around by delivering more and/or better HD content (as opposed to promises and deceptions), that will indeed be something noteworthy.

    Note that the important number is how many net adds there are. It may be that one provider signs up more new subscribers than another, but if they lose (or slough off bad subscribers as DirecTV prefers to think of it) many existing subscribers, then the only number that goes up is subscriber acquisition cost (SAC). I suspect that DirecTV's Q4 report will present a much rosier ratio of gains to losses than their dismal Q3 report.
     
  5. Feb 4, 2007 #345 of 456
    La Push Commercial Codman

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    Nice for DVR for satellite not to need a phone line. Rightfully, a judge may still rule in favor of TIVO, and the complaints I have been hearing about TIVO and DirecTV products is so-so. Once a deal is set, then Dish will get there headache too. Life is hard. Alot of the DirecTV-Tivo units have to be reboot and They stall. IF TIVO wins, will E* do business with TIVO, since DirecTivos has been continuously have problems. Our DVR fait on a judgement in Feb 15. One of the DVR owners on Dish, said if Dish turn's the networks off, then disable DVR, he not pay up and throw unit out the window. That may still happen. Dish Network has it headache, and xm radio has its headache over Recording Industry Association of America-(R.I.A.A.). TIVO said the Recording Industry Association of America (R.I.A.A.) repersents Digital video recording, and pays R.I.A.A. group royalities fee. xm and Sirius pays Digital audio service recording. I wasn't paying for royalities fee.
     
  6. Feb 4, 2007 #346 of 456
    jhoweaa

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    I'm currently a DirecTV customer with 3 DirecTivos. Other than a recent problem with season passes (a problem caused by DirecTV), my Tivo's have operated flawlessly since I've owned them (about 2 years). The problems you may be referring to related to the *non-Tivo* PVR that DirecTV is foisting on their customers. In particular, their HR-20 has been plagued with problems. This is *not*, however, a TiVo unit, nor does it run TiVo software.
     
  7. Feb 4, 2007 #347 of 456
    Geronimo

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    I must have mised that. But youa re talking about ONE quarter. To say that is since the advent of HD (that ws not you Greg) is misleading. e* led for several quarters when the merger was going on. Afterward D* retook the lead each quarter for awhile.


    I belive you but I would be interested in seeing the article. thanks.
     
  8. Feb 4, 2007 #348 of 456
    Geronimo

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    I did the research. It was not easy as D* did not highlight sub adds for the quarte----which shows you something. In the end it is true that E* won in the 3rd quarter of 2006.

    Congrats to E* I guess they have not won in awhile.
     
  9. Feb 4, 2007 #349 of 456
    Geronimo

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    True but TBS inc is owned by time Warner.
     
  10. Feb 9, 2007 #350 of 456
    La Push Commercial Codman

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    Yeah, I am refferring to HR20-700. It sound to me like there having problems. Many perfer Dish Network DVR or just a regular TIVO series 3. I do not want a TIVO hassell, if a can have a zero problem. Record DVR viewership is a surprise, over super bowl and the record sales and business on DVR's, for Super Bowl sunday and commercial free sports. If Febraury 15 court date, bother charlie and TIVO headaches, then 25-50 million DVR viewers may bother National Association of Broadcasters and General manager Craig Jahelka- KERO TV 23 was concern.. A fricken broadcaster concern of corperate moolau and there greed..

    I find it hard to believe, many have invested there money in Dish networks DVR unit, then finds out a court wants to judge every unit. Charlie Ergen will put his DBS operating license on DVR. I hope congress and SENATOR DIANE FEINSTEIN doesn't be a ass, legislation. Greedy corperation is so dumb founded, and doesn't care about people satellite tv investment. Broadcaster do not care about choice, only local corperate revenue. I betcha dumb ass David K. Rehr, just wants to screw around with PVR-DVR units, and just do his part, and it wouldn't make a difference. PVR-DVR numbers are great, but what do lobbyist do?
     
  11. Mathwiz

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    I am new to this forum and thread, and I have a DVR-510 (leased).
    I am reading about a Feb court date where a judge may rule the E* DVR's violate a patent of Tivo.

    My question is this.......If E* is made to disable the DVR function after this ruling (or some ruling in the future), should I unplug my phone line to preserve DVR functionality or is that even a viable option. Excuse me if I am totally ignorant of the situation, but I like my DVR function. I dont want to hit the button one day and see a screen saying "Sorry, but this function is no longer available"
     
  12. JohnH

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    Your phone line will have nothing to do with a change of functionality if one is sent. They come via the satellite signal path.

    You will have no choice, so don't worry until it happens, if ever.
     
  13. archer75

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    I sure hope that if it does happen and they shutdown DVR functionality that they let us out of our contracts.
     
  14. James Long

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    I just wish that people would stop worrying about it.
    We've been over this many times. E* will not be turning off DVR service.
     
  15. archer75

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    Why not? They've already lost once so there is a very good chance Tivo is going to win this thing and Dish would then have to shut off service.
     
  16. James Long

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    There are too many other options short of turning off the DVRs. I'm not going to rehash this again. Please re-read the thread for all the argument, pro and con.
     
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    Fight the good fight Don Quixote! ;)
     
  18. Greg Bimson

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    In a nut shell, just like the RIMM (makers of the Blackberry) patent lawsuit, Dish Network would actually settle before a cutoff would ever occur.
     
  19. La Push Commercial Codman

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    IF Dish doesn't settle, many will be screwed and there dumped there Dish Network and head off into the sunset. Since this may affect all DVR subs, I can betcha lobbyist are deciding whether or not, does DVR hurt corperate broadcasters. I can betcha DVR's would be a piece of junk. Do, they really care?

    Neilson research has been ask to do a survay on viewing habbits.. Viewing habbits our commercial free live tv. It's all about corperate bucks, meanwhile, I hope E* will not screw up. Today is a court room visit.
     
  20. normang

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    Give it a rest.. The chances of Dish doing "anything" to disrupt DVR's is non-existant. They'll do whatever it takes to keep things just as they are or with minimal changes at best no matter what it costs.. This assumes they lose and they may not..
     
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