Tivo Roamio Plus/Pro vs Hopper vs Genie

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  1. lparsons21

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    In a broad sense, yes. But from some I've talked to it isn't like Directv's Tivo in speed!! :) And of course, it comes with 6 tuners instead of the 2 D*s came with.

    Technically the box is very competitive to the actual Tivo, but the cable companies that chose to use it have got it hamstrung in some ways.
    The Tivo Stream support is there but disabled at the cable company request
    Hulu, Netflix & Amazon could work but is disabled at the cable company request
    External HD support is there again disabled at the cable company request
    Internal Ethernet-Moca bridging is there but disabled at the cable company request.

    Literally everything that is missing from the cable company's rental Tivo/Pace units is because the cable company wanted it that way. That's why I got the Roamio Plus. No Mediacom VOD, but I sub to HuluPlus, Netflix and Amazon Prime so why would I care?? :)
     
  2. damondlt

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    Maybe I'll think about buying a Roamio Plus, because apparently all the apps still work right?
    Adding a cable card shouldn't deactivate any of the Roamios features correct?
    And then I can buy 3 minis and save around $35 a month.
    I'm guessing I just wouldn't have On demand, but I don't care.

    Plus the minis don't have a monthly fee when you buy them.
     
  3. lparsons21

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    All my apps work fine on the Roamio Plus, get all the video, audio and Opera apps and all still worked after the cablecard was installed and activated. With Mediacom I did lose the access to VOD and I think the only company allowing it is Comcast and then only in some markets. Not sure about PPV as I haven't tried it.
     
  4. lparsons21

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    One caution. If you buy one of the cheap refurb deals that I linked to, you are stuck with a $20/month subscription fee for 2 years. When I first got mine there were people that said they were able to change that to an annual sub, but I guess Tivo caught on because when I tried to do it, they said no.
     
  5. damondlt

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    Yeah I just priced it out,
    It would cost me $915 just for the Roamio Plus and 3 minis.
    But I would still have to pay for the Roamio $12.50 per month at the yearly rate of $150 and $5.95 per month for my cable card.

    This would only save me $24.80 a month, but I won't see that savings for 37 months.

    Right now I pay $23.99 for the T6 that includes HD, DVR Multiroom Service, and Equipment protection.
    And $19.35 for 3 tivo minis.
     
  6. lparsons21

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    Even though I'm stuck paying $20/month which is about $100 more a year than I would have to if I could have switched to annual billing, I'm still saving money, just not quite as much as I had originally figured.
     
  7. slice1900

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    It would be a better deal for you to buy lifetime service instead of paying by the year. I calculate it at $399 + $499 for lifetime and $450 for the Minis, plus $40 for a three year extended warranty on the Roamio. That's about $1390 up front, but you save $37.39/month instead of $24.80/month so the payback is same 37 months but your savings are far greater after that 37th month versus paying year by year, plus the resale value of the Roamio is much greater should you choose to quit cable earlier than that.

    I bought my Premiere (2 tuner non XL) a few weeks shy of five years ago for $199, got lifetime for $299 (including the $100 discount for owning another Tivo) and $40 three year extended warranty. Checking eBay now I see completed 'buy it now' auctions for the same model for $275. That's basically half my initial investment I could recover after FIVE YEARS for a model that was replaced a year and a half ago!

    A couple years from now the Roamio will probably be replaced by a new model, if you want to upgrade you're in a better position to do so when you can sell the old one with lifetime service.
     
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    And a full lifetime Plus or Pro can be had in the 500-600 range with one of the codes that most people have been using.
     
  9. damondlt

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    I may consider this approach this fall.

    Any discount would be welcome.
    And since I really only need one Roamio Plus and not 2, it should be more affordable than originally anticipated.
     
  10. lparsons21

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    OK, here's how I rank the Hopper w/Sling, HR44 and Tivo Roamio:

    From the standpoint of operating the cable or sat service:
    1. Hopper w/Sling - just superb imo, very fast and the best interface to manage the DVR
    2. HR44 & Roamio - Both are fine boxes for managing the cable or sat service. Roamio has a leg up in visual appeal though.

    From a media controller point of view:
    1. Roamio - Just hands down better at integrating the streaming services. You check the ones you actually subscribe to and then all searches and season passes can include the streaming shows just as if they were on the Tivo. That is a huge plus! It is a little slow in starting a stream because it runs an app to do it, but once you stream the first show, you can continue in that app.
    2. Hopper w/Sling - With the addition of Netflix, HWS steps up to at least one streaming service being supported. But unlike the Tivo, the only time it knows about Netflix content is when you run the app.
    3. HR44 - virtually nothing beyond what it gets from the satellite. Well, other than VOD.

    Direct made a minor move to support a Tivo box, but they half-stepped by doing it with an HR22. You have to wonder how much better it could be if they used an HR44 with the full Tivo software, including the streaming apps. IMO, after using the Tivo I have to think it would be a huge feather in D*'s hat if they chose to do it.
     
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    The Genie didn't exist when Directv was working with Tivo, so that wasn't an option. Theoretically nothing stops them from doing another one in the future, but if they were going to do that it would make more sense for them to do it as a way of getting out of the STB software business entirely instead of having two totally different UIs.
     
  12. lparsons21

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    Just for info, Dish has 2 totally different UIs and has done well with it.

    The Genie line should have had a new one when it came out and I've said that for quite some time. Here's the way I see it. "we've got this great and powerful all new DVR, but we kept the crude UI because we are too lazy to fix it"!! :)
     
  13. damondlt

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    I want a Roamio option that works with directv.
    Hopefully we may see something on those lines in the future, but if not I will definitely not lose sleep over it.
     
  14. slice1900

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    If the FCC required video providers to go with the AllVid standard we'd see it, but if they had any appetite for pushing it they probably lost it with the realization that all the fat lazy cable/satellite companies will face new competition from streaming.

    Who knows, maybe the AT&T deal will change Directv's thinking and they'll get in bed with Tivo again.
     
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    If they could make the Tivo software work on the HR22 as they did, I see no reason why they couldn't do it on the HR44. That said, they probably won't unless AT&T makes bigger changes than I think they will.
     
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    I find myself using streaming much more these days because of the way the Roamio handles it. I have been close to data caps before without the Tivo, so it was nice to find out about a good deal Mediacom is running right now for existing customers.

    Upgrade up to 2 tiers from current service is $5/month more per tier and another $5/tier in the 2nd year as it is a contract deal. So I went from 50/5 internet @$45/month with a 350Gb data cap, to a 100/10 internet @$50/month with a 999Gb data cap. Well worth it!!

    Ran a speedtest and it shows actual to be about 120/18 so speed sure won't be an issue!! :)
     
  17. damondlt

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    I don't want an HR platform, I want a Roamio platform.
     
  18. lparsons21

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    I can understand that want. But realistically I think that would be harder to accomplish because of the tuner differences.
     
  19. captaink5217

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    I noticed that BRC added Hulu support on their TiVo this week so now the only video service I would like added is Amazon


    What's up and stuff
     
  20. captaink5217

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    Now this morning Hulu is gone WTF

    Just found out from BRCTV that Hulu will be up, someone flipped the switch a couple days early.
     

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