TiVo vs. Dish: TiVo won appeal

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  1. May 11, 2010 #981 of 1017
    jacmyoung

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    I think what he meant was he has a lifetime standalone TiVo DVR that is hooked up to a Dish receiver, and he thinks if the Dish receivers will be shut off, his TiVo DVR will too, obviously he is confused.

    But here is the kicker, a lot was said by the TiVo fear mongers about what all this can do to confuse the DISH subs and scare the potential subs off, yet you see E*’s quarterly reports, they keep adding more and more new subs, their churn rate is now even less than DirecTV’s. The latest is over 800K new subs added, with a net 237,000 new subs. It seems the worse pictures E* paints about this TiVo case, the more new subs it has, maybe that is why they keep painting worse and worse pictures:)
     
  2. May 11, 2010 #982 of 1017
    jacmyoung

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    Don't forget to mail Charlie the receipt for reimbursement too:)
     
  3. May 11, 2010 #983 of 1017
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    They even have DVD recorders with hard drives in them, that are also DVR's. ;)
     
  4. May 11, 2010 #984 of 1017
    Matt9876

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    I'm not confused in 1996 I purchased a Sat-T60 DVR and LifeTime TiVo service and spent just over $1000,this was connected to DirecTV service,When the R-15 TiVo DVR was available I upgraded to the newer unit.

    After DirecTV went to Ka band HD and MPEG4 I waited to see when the next generation of TiVo would be released, they never did and looks like another year minimum before anyone gets one,also when the HR (DirecTV brand DVR) was first released it was a joke compared to a TiVo unit.

    As I could wait no longer and economic issues prevailed I switched to DishNetwork eastern arc service with a VIP DVR. I am very happy with the move and service,This proposed shutdown of DVR service upsets me greatly since I've paid my fair share to both sides in this court battle.


    Correction:
    Earl called me on this one,Lifetime TiVo and Sony Sat-T60 was purchased mid 2001,I've been a DirecTV customer since 1996 sorry for the mistake on the date.Matt
     
  5. May 11, 2010 #985 of 1017
    Jhon69

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    Not me,because I will own it.:grin:
     
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    Jhon69

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    Yea I know but I would research it because these hard drives don't last forever,now if the owner can replace it no problem it might be worth it.;)
     
  7. May 11, 2010 #987 of 1017
    Shades228

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    If you return to DirecTV it would be honored as it was purchased for a specific receiver or account. You're not using either anymore.
     
  8. May 11, 2010 #988 of 1017
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    That is exactly my point, after you own it, send DISH the receipt for a reimbursement so you end up with a free DVD recorder, owned:)

    This brings an interesting scenario, not that I think it will happen, but how much is a DVD recorder with a hard drive? I bet Charlie can buy such DVD recorders made in China for cheap, maybe $15 a piece in bulk, if the DISH DVR is ordered to be turned into a receiver, he then sends one of these DVD recorder so you will still be able to do DVR, with the benefit of a DVD player too so you can actually record on a DVD disk. Now how many of the DISH subs will complain about that?:)

    What is TiVo going to do? Go after that Chinese company? If you think it is hard to fight Charlie in the US court, wait till you have to fight a Chinese company, you will first have to find it, if that company has no presence in the US, you can't even sue it for infringement, the US patent law does not extend beyond our own borders.
     
  9. May 12, 2010 #989 of 1017
    tivonomo

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    Let me repeat. You forgot the "not colorably different" part. The patent does not require an internal hard drive. What you just proposed is not colorably different, a waste of money, and would rack up some serious contempt sanctions. And that would not be speculation.
     
  10. May 12, 2010 #990 of 1017
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    Wait, even if after E* disables its DVR and turns it into a receiver, you still cannot hook it up with another DVR recorder? It would still violate the injunction?

    You know the poster earlier is not the only guy who has a TiVo DVR hooked up to his DISH receiver, so what you are suggesting is that anyone who uses another DVR type device, such as a TiVo sub, to work with one of those DISH DVR turned receivers, will have to answer to Judge Folsom? A TiVo sub in violation of the TiVo injunction?:)

    Are you just as eager as I am to see that happen?:)
     
  11. May 12, 2010 #991 of 1017
    Herdfan

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    But in reality, how many subs or potential subs have any idea there is a court case over the DVR's. I am sure that the E* CSR's are not informing potential new customers that their "DVR's might be shut off in a month."
     
  12. May 12, 2010 #992 of 1017
    tivonomo

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    So you changed your idea from using an external drive to using a DVD recorder to not give the customers what they want... which is a DVR.

    Of course that will not happen. Is Charlie going to throw in a few hundred DVD's as well and a Sharpie? (I have to disclose that I borrowed this line from someone else)
     
  13. May 12, 2010 #993 of 1017
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    Of course it is not necessarily E*’s job to tell the subs that, if E* already has an option, or several options, but it is up to TiVo and its followers to scare those E* subs off. So far they have done a terrible job, not only did then not manage to scare those E* subs and the potential E* subs off, to the contrary, TiVo’s own subs for reasons unknown to us, are fleeing TiVo in record numbers.

    I guess the above is another proof that while TiVo’s folks maybe good in court, they have no clue about the marketplace. There is a phrase for that, I don’t remember what it is but I swear it has something to do with “life support services on wheels” and “the running man”, or somethings like that.
     
  14. May 12, 2010 #994 of 1017
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    That was my line. What is it Tivonomore? Did you run out of lines, started to borrow others’?

    Of course it is a hypothetical scenario. A DVR type of device is just another version of the “external hard drive”, wrapped in various disguises. But don’t try to avoid my question, are you just as eager as I am to see TiVo in violation of the TiVo injunction?:)
     
  15. May 12, 2010 #995 of 1017
    tivonomo

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    So your line is this? "Of course that will not happen."

    That's ironic coming from someone who continually posts speculation that never happens.
     
  16. May 12, 2010 #996 of 1017
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    Tell me about it. I have two with hard drives in them.
    One of which has a ATSC / QAM tuner. I have that one hooked up to basic cable and it tunes the digital channels, although it records in SD. The other one is analog only. Not to mention the Tivo series one standalone lifetime sub. Sine the DVD Recorders hook up with Component the video is decent



    The VIP Series as I understand it are not included in the shut off list, So don't worry, Be happy.

    MY only regret is that they won't be installing the Eastern Arc until Sunday.

    Cheers
     
  17. May 12, 2010 #997 of 1017
    Herdfan

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    Some of the dumba**es in this country cant even find their own state on a map. Even if TiVo ran commercials every hour on the hour on every network, (which would probably be FF'ed through :)), most people still couldn't describe the case in complete sentences.
     
  18. May 12, 2010 #998 of 1017
    tivonomo

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    Maybe not explicitly but the number of DVR's used in calculating the award seems to have had to include at least some of the ViP's.

    If there are differences in that software on the ViP's I would be first in line wanting to know what they are and why that software wasn't used in the first workaround.
     
  19. May 12, 2010 #999 of 1017
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    Can you? I read some of those court transcripts and files and the judges' orders, while I think those lawyers and judges might be able to speak in complete sentences (I have serious doubt but I will give them the benefit), their own sentences seemed not in agreement with one another, in fact they are so far apart in disagreement they make your average dumb#$%^& look like geniuses:)
     
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    So now we have an analyst saying if there is no settlement between E* and TiVo, it will harm TiVo more. What's up with that?

    For months and months we learned from the fine Tivo folks here that if E* did not agree to settle, E* would face certain extinction, TiVo would simply exclude E* from ever able to use DVRs.
     
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