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TIVO wins E* Lawsuit - Potential Impact on ALL DVRs

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by HDTVFanAtic, Apr 13, 2006.

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  1. Nick

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    TiVo issued the following statement in U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Texas:

    EchoStar issued this statement regarding the verdict:

    www.SkyRetailer.com - used with permission
     
  2. LtMunst

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    Considering that the Defense Department developed the ARPANET throughout the 60's with full deployment in 1969, how is Al Gore's statement not ridiculous? He didn't even get out of Army bootcamp until Oct 69. Taken out of context or not, Al Gore was not in any way shape or form a contributor to the ARPANET.
     
  3. Darkman

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    ya..

    I agree... - Tivo's stock is really up btw this, Monday, morning :)
     
  4. koralis

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    Someone with a single VCR and a cable connection can use a cable splitter to record one channel while watching a different channel on the TV.

    Someone with two VCRs can tune to one VCR to watch a movie, while the Coax-IN goes to the second VCR to record.

    There's nothing innovative here... they're just bundling mutiple products into a single box. Prior Art basically says that this patent is bogus as the capability that they're claiming as unique could have been (and was) being done beforehand by consumers.


    One thing that MIGHT be patentable is being able to record and play from the same event simultaneously (aka. the pausing feature allowing the recorder to continue while viewing a different time segment of the same show, which can not be done on a physically streaming medium such as videotape.) Actually, something very much like this:

    http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache...42+TIVO+patent+uspto&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

     
  5. Ron Barry

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    Definitely quantity over quality. They made it so lucrative (Money wise) that employees got into a room together and after a meeting had 30+ patent applications.

    I read some of them and they I thought.. WOW... And the majority of these were getting dumped into the patent office. Scary stuff.
     
  6. Kricket

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    actually - im pretty sure he was referring to this quote that al gore stated in a march 9, 1999 interview with wolf blitzer (who asked something like "what qualifies you for the democratic nomination over bill bradley" or something to that effect):

    "during my service in the united states congress, i took the initiative in creating the internet" (emphasis added)

    so, technically, gore DID say he created the internet

    im not taking sides here - im just pointing out a fact - and we all know that he didnt mean to say "creating" (he probably meant something like "promoting" or "advancing") - but, nonetheless, he DID say it

    heres the transcript so you can see for yourself:

    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/09/president.2000/transcript.gore/

    EDIT - although i have to say - i do believe that gore was pretty instrumental in pushing for the internet - he was important in the idea of getting it out publically...
     
  7. Nick

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    I do this with my dual-tuner cable HD-DVR. I can record two programs and watch a third with a split cable bypassing the box and connecting directly to my tv's RF input.

    Actually, my first PVR, the DishPlayer 7200, now semi-retired, accomplished this with ease -- even without needing to invoke the record function. The DP uses a continuous buffer to accomplish this. Rather clever, I thought. The 7200/7100 embodied superior technology at the time (1999/200), and in many ways, particularly with the elegant EPG interface, is still superior.
     
  8. harsh

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    VCRs were often known as "Beta(max) machines" up through about 1983 when VHS began to catch on. The Beta name was so important to Sony that they didn't really give up on it until analog ENG equipment disappeared altogether.

    Also, don't believe Micro$oft's research on VHS which attributes the invention of VHS to Panasonic; we all know that distinction belongs to Japan Victor Corporation.
     
  9. harsh

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    This is what Al Gore said when he was cornered on the original Internet quote. Somewhere on the Internet, there is a complete timeline of Al Gore's references to his relationship to the development of the Internet and he did, in fact, make the claim. He later explained that what he said wasn't what he meant.
     
  10. harsh

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    The Forgent patent will likely come up about the time that the Echostar irritation subsides. Then again, if they pull a TiVo and don't assert their rights soon, they will lose them.
    The bulk of the TiVo Time Warp patent is diagrams. These diagrams clearly show the "media switch" to be central to the whole design. Without the media switch, I'm not sure it means anything.

    A link to the patent has been posted in this thread as well as others.
     
  11. Stewart Vernon

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    I just don't remember it that way. Maybe it was a regional thing? I forget exactly when we got our VCR, but I believe it was at or around 1980... and we got a VHS mainly because the video rental place (WAY before Blockbuster) stocked mostly VHS. They also had a few LaserDiscs as I remember too... but they didn't have many Betas.

    I wish I had all my memory on instant recall... I know about JVC, even though a lot of folks don't I guess... but also, even they didn't really innovate. I forget where and what, but similar technology (the way the tilted heads of the VCR were aligned and worked) was around in WWII and that was essentially where the idea eventually can be traced back to.

    My brain is failing me to names and details at the moment.
     
  12. Nick

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    Actually, BetaMax video gear is still widely used today in mobile broadcast tv applications.
     
  13. absolutic

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    What I want to know is whether us, the consumer, will bear the cost of the law suit by having to pay increased dvr fees. You know exactly how it works, Echostar is going to say: well we have to pay the patent fees now, so we will increase your dvr fee by $5 a month. In real life, we, the consumers, always end up paying. I am very unhappy about this, who cares about the logo, I just don't want to pay more for the same services!
     
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    isnt it possible that this is the whole reason they have had the fees in case something like this happened
     
  15. Doug Higley

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    I bought my first VHS (Panasonic) in 1978 for $1400. VHS was already well established...my first commercially produced movies were titles from Warner Bros and other majors. (The Wild Bunch was the reason I bought the machine!) Movies were about $79 then) Betamax was viable but already not a favorite at that time...I did advertising for the store and the VHS machines were flying out the door. Betamax was the Mac of the day or Saturn...had it's fans...was extremely high quality BUT...
     
  16. Michael P

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    No. Betacam gear is still used for some ENG (Electronic News Gathering) applications.

    If you popped one of those Betacam tapes in your Betamax you would see ziltch, nada, nothing but snow.

    About the only thing that survived from the original Betamax was the tape cartridge. The tape inside, as well as the speed is radically different.

    Betamax's big mistake was the early obsolesence of the original (Beta I) machines. When the long-play versions came out (Beta II, III) they were not compatible withthe original Beta I tapes. VHS OTOH always supported SP. Even LP, which is no longer used, can still be played on machines that record in SP/EP.
     
  17. Nick

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    Thanks for the correction. :blush:
     
  18. Michael P

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    If that is what my DVR fee is for it's time for me to pitch the 921 and go back to a standard IRD.
     
  19. HDTVFanAtic

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    The 6 month chart tells the tale:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TIVO&t=3m&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=

    Which quite frankly, surprises me as I don't belive long term prospects were good for Tivo before this ruling.

    Also, if you know ANYTHING about basic Market T/A, you would know that 99% of gaps get filled. The huge gap created between Friday close, afterhours and Barron's suggesting Dish should buy Tivo was destined to be filled.

    The real story is what happens from here with the gap filled.

    And if you really want to get into Market T/A, put a piece of paper on the 2 peaks 4 months ago and see that the resistance has now become support with the low in April bouncing right back off that line - you can see where that line is headed.
     
  20. harsh

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    In my local market, tape-based recording is largely been relegated to cable access where DV formats are used. ENG is done with arrays of off-the-shelf flash memory, compact hard drives and other tapeless technologies.

    It makes sense because it rains a lot here and nobody wants to see a dew light.
     
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