Transponder Maps ~ Data 10/16/2019

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Tips and Resources' started by Gary Toma, Dec 26, 2012.

  1. slice1900

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    Yes, if they are waiting for that we won't see it until sometime next year, maybe even not until H1 2020. AFAIK there are no ATSC 3.0 tuners in mass production yet since the standard isn't quite finalized (though it is close)

    Even if they only release a 1.0 tuner now they probably want to have the OTA database ready for it. I don't think it was an accident that among the first four markets were Dallas (AT&T's HQ) and Los Angeles (Directv's HQ) because it seems that AT&T likes to test things with their employees first. I wouldn't be surprised if they have some sort of employee presence in the other two markets, Las Vegas and SLC, maybe call centers or something?

    While employees are testing in home markets, they can get the remaining markets ready so that when they begin to offer them to customers they will be able to pick up all the channels in their market and not have to deal with the hassles AM21 owners had to endure.

    If they can sustain 15 markets a week it will only take three months, but it seems like a lot of these projects go for a while and then inexplicably stall so who knows. Like whatever happened to the project that was tagging HD/SD stations in in the various DMAs, they finished like half of them and then that seemed to stall months ago for whatever reason.

    I wonder if there will be any provision for an OTA dongle for customers of the IP version that's coming "at the end of the year"? They'd have to make it able to connect to the USB port of a client, I guess?
     
  2. P Smith

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    the dongle eg USB OTA tuner/demod sending one selected mux/freq to its host for processing; I would guess but most likely from FW side it wouldn't be holdout if you can use ATSC 1.0 now or update FW to new ATSC 3.0 dongle later;
    adding to that FW would utilize any company/kind current USB OTA tuner pretty easy - just hire more SW coders!
     
  3. slice1900

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    If Directv wants ATSC 3.0 they aren't going to design their own chips and write their own drivers. It doesn't matter what is done in the dongle and what is done on the host, there aren't any ATSC 3.0 chips out there, and as a result no software for them. They want hardware manufactured in volume so the price is reasonable, and to license existing software (maybe tweaked a bit, maybe just used 'out of the box') not hire a bunch of software guys for a one-off project they'll have to maintain forever.
     
  4. P Smith

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    OK, hire just one coder to write support of particular say Hauppage USB OTA ATSC 1.0 dongle NOW !
     
  5. vaguy

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    I’m still chugging along with a couple of AM21s.

    The FCC is requiring around 1000 TV stations to change their RF frequencies over the next 3 years. This is to make room for Wireless Broadband.

    My understanding is the AM21 OTA capabilities are limited to what's in the TPN Maps. So who maintains the TPN Maps? I've already noticed one of my locals has changed their RF frequency and now I've lost the capability to pick that up via my AM21.

    How do I request corrections/additions?

    Specifically, Washington DC, WDCA channel 20.1 no longer uses RF 35. It has moved to RF 36 (which is also used by 5.1 WTTG out of Washington, DC). I know the standard line about the guide not being expanded. Glad to see that is starting to change. There are plenty of sub-channels missing from the DC market
    5.2 WTTG BUZZR
    5.3 WTTG MeTV
    14.2 WDCW GetTV
    14.3 WDCW Grit
    14.4 WDCW Bounce
    20.2 WDCA Movies
    20.3 WDCA Heroes & Icons
    31.4 WRZB Shop LC
    31.5 WRZB Decades

    There are some channels in the TPN Map for the DC market that are outdated
    31.1 is now RF 32 WRZB Escape
    31.2 is now FF 32 WRZB LAFF
    31.3 is now RF 32 WRZB HSN

    And Channel 4-2 WRC-TV COZI (which worked in the past) no longer gets integrated into the guide. It's in the TPN Map, the OTA setup finds it, but it no longer shows up as a selectiable channel in the Favorites setup. Very strange. This is not a cockpit error. I have 2 AM21s and 2 different STBs. The missing channel 4-2 behavior is the same.

    How do I get the TPN Map updated with correct RF frequencies for 20.1, 31.1, 31.2 and 31.3 in the DC market?

    FYI, Rabbit Ears has the correct information for the DC market
    Stations for Washington, District of Columbia
     
  6. KyL416

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    You don't need the RF number to match, just rerun initial OTA setup and it will be able to match on Major-Minor alone.

    As for missing channels, recently they started adding additional channels for the first time since 2009, but they didn't get to the DC market yet.

    WWPBDTx on 31-x isn't outdated. Hagerstown is part of the DC market, and WWPB/31 is the local MPT signal for the Hagerstown area. While it's not easily available OTA in metro DC, it's available in the Northwestern suburbs. (DirecTV uses the Nielsen definitions for markets, while RabbitEars uses their own internal market definitions so they list the Hagerstown stations seperate from DC.) WRZBLD is a low power signal that was also assigned channel 31. WWPB is also going to boost their signal in 2020, so it's possible that WRZB will have to change their major number to avoid conflicts since the boosted signal will be available in portions of DC with a decent antenna. If you're lucky it might be added when the update reaches DC, but the updates for the markets that got them so far were only for subchannels of full power signals, so chances are WRZBLD will be left out.

    The WRC thing is a complicated issue, basically your Telemundo affiliate is now sharing on it, but NBC gave Exitos on -2 a lower program number in the PSIP data, so the matching is latching to that. This issue occurs when the guest station isn't in the database at all, and that missing guest station has a station with the same minor number but a lower internal program number. Whenever their updates reach the DC market, the Exitos station should be in the database and it won't be an issue anymore.
     
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  7. vaguy

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    Thanks KyL416. Lots of good stuff.

    Interestingly, after doing a complete OTA reset, a "MYCLEARBOX" procedure, and an initial OTA Setup with a primary market only, my H25 and Genie behave differently. The H25 OTA's Setup finds 4-1/4-2, but labels it as 44-1/44-2 even though it's been sorted as if it were in the 4-1/4-2 slot position. if I select this set, the Channel Guide shows 44-1/44-2, but populated with 4-1/4-2's guide data and video content. So it works, it's just misplaced in the Channel Guide list and incorrectly named 44-1/44-2.

    The Genie OTA Setup shows both 4-1/4-2 and 44-1/44-2. If I select 4-1/4-2 only from the OTA Setup, the Channel Guide does not reflect the 4-1/4-2 OTA Setup selection, but does show 44-1/44-2 populated with the 4-1/4-2 guide information (even thought I didn't check 44-1/44-2 in the OTA setup). The video content is that of 44-1/44-2 which does not match the Channel Guide in this case.

    So it sort of works on my H25, doesn't work on my Genie.
    Guess I'll just be patient and hang in there a little longer.

    In trying to pick up missing sub-channels using a secondary market, I've found that matching the Major-Minor gets the guide info correct, but the channel is not viewable. I've had better success matching on the RF channel. The guide is off, but the sub-channel content is then viewable (less conflicts such as 31.x which you've explained).
     
  8. Gary Toma

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    For folks interested in OTA, this week's data includes additional database records for 12 markets.
     
  9. Rafael

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    Hello Gary,
    Hope you are well, haven't been in the in this board lately, been very busy.....I have a question, I have been reading your updates for the DirecTV Channel Mapping, and I can't see NFL Sunday Ticket channel mapping.....
    Thanks in advance.
     
  10. KyL416

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    Sunday Ticket HD uses shared CINEHD bandwidth, so the 700s are only active on Sundays. You can also see the test mappings for Sunday Ticket in the 9700s under the Hybrid tab. The SD Sunday ticket feeds use reserved space on various transponders on the 101 slot, but they don't get mapped to channels until they're in use.

    In the National_tpngrid maps, those designated part time HD feeds are listed as "CINE/SPORTS"
     
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  11. Rafael

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    Ok THX will check it.....
     
  12. Gary Toma

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    Rafael,
    Welcome back ! It has been many years. You were living in Caracas in those days.

    Just for you, I added back an Excel we posted on 9/9/2018. It was a special shapshot taken by Doctor J on a Sunday Afternoon to illustrate Sunday Ticket SD and HD in their operational configuration. Our normal data snapshots are taken on Wednesday mornings when all the Sunday Ticket records are out of service and hibernating in the Hybrid tab.

    The link in Post #1 of this thread will take you to the Excel data.

    And Welcome yet again !
     
  13. KyL416

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    The OTA update reached the following markets today:
    4 - Albuquerque-Santa Fe NM
    115 - Lubbock TX
    147 - Philadelphia PA
    148 - Phoenix AZ
    174 - Shreveport LA
    185 - Tampa-St Petersburg FL
    199 - Washington DC - Hagerstown MD
     
  14. Gary Toma

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    Today, 11/25, another 159 stations were added to the OTA database. These are additions since our regular 11/21 data. There is joy in OTA land.
     
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    Today, 12/19, 59 channels have been added in *Test mode, to D14/99CR. This is the first indication we have for the actual use of the Reverse Band capability.
     
  16. KyL416

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    For those who are getting their hopes up about them being 4K test channels, it's just mirrors of most of the Spanish and Cantonese channels currently on D7S/119. Check the latest posts in the thread for more details.
     
  17. Gary Toma

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    Today's (3-27-2019) TPN Map update included two new 4K channels in *Test mode.

    Hopefully this is a sign of good things to come.
     
  18. richall01

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    HBO 4K ??
     
  19. slice1900

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    No, one is another 4K sports channel (to allow them to have overlapping events) the other is another 4K PPV channel.

    In other words just more of what they already have, no real 4K channels being added. There's no way that something like HBO 4K would be added without any fanfare or preannouncement.
     
  20. cablemax

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    Can't believe here in USA we still missing 4K channels. I have a iptv service and they have a bounce of channels in 4K like this one from Portugal sports in crystal clear [​IMG]

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