Transponder Maps ~ Data 12/12/2019. Special Update

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  1. Sep 18, 2014 #501 of 2176
    HoTat2

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    Interestingly enough;

    The last TPN map release for 9/10 shows WTLF HD back up in test again. On the same satellite and transponder listed before.
     
  2. Sep 18, 2014 #502 of 2176
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    Doctor J Comments for the 9/17/2014 Domestic Data:


    New HD LIL DMA In Service

    11 WVAW 16 3 SW2 @99W 99S 057 1070 36
    A3 Charlottesville 16 WVAW ABC ABC from WVAWDT-TV, 16, Charlottesville, VA

    11 WCAV 19 3 SW2 @99W 99S 057 1080 36
    A3 Charlottesville 19 WCAV CBS CBS from WCAVDT-TV, 19, Charlottesville, VA

    11 WAHU 27 1 SW2 @99W 99S 053 1060 36
    A3 Charlottesville 27 WAHU FOX FOX from WAHUDT-TV, 27, Charlottesville, VA

    11 WVIR 29 1 SW2 @99W 99S 053 1070 36
    A3 Charlottesville 29 WVIR NBC NBC from WVIRDT-TV, 29, Charlottesville, VA

    11 CW 30 1 SW2 @99W 99S 053 1090 36
    A3 Charlottesville 30 WVIRDT3 CW CW from WVIRDT3-TV, 30, Charlottesville, VA

    11 WHTJ 41 1 SW2 @99W 99S 053 1080 36
    A3 Charlottesville 41 WHTJ PBS PBS from WHTJDT-TV, 41, Charlottesville, VA
     
  3. Sep 18, 2014 #503 of 2176
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    Nielsen Ratings Update

    The 'Market' tab in this week's TPN Map Excel (9/17/14) incorporates the 2014-2015 Nielsen DMA ratings which were released on 9/12/14. Each year there are winners moving up in the DMA rankings - and of course the loser DMAs, dropping in the relative rankings.

    This is a great macro view of the shifting demographics within the United States.

    The 'Market' tab also reflects the new Charlottesville, VA, HD-LIL DMA added since last week. The recap numbers at the bottom of the Market tab now show Directv HD Local service is provided to 99.54% of US TV Households.
     
  4. Sep 18, 2014 #504 of 2176
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    Hey Gary;

    Are you and egakagoc2xi making any progress at sorting out the confusing situation going on with DIRECTV LA?

    The new transponders popping up and mislabeled signal level screens posted recently by an Uruguay technician down there appearing as DIRECTV test new receiver firmware in preparation for DLA-1's launch is really making a confusing mess of the network decoders in previous LA TPN maps.
     
  5. Sep 18, 2014 #505 of 2176
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    HoTat2,

    I have been traveling for the past week - just got back today. It will take me a little time to dig my way up to the surface of my desk...

    However -- on the DLA-1 front, I think we will be okay. egakagoc2xi (henceforth to be nicknamed 'ega') has all the data, which includes former Networks 0, 1 and 2 - but now with Pan Networks 3 and 4 added from DLA-1. As I recall, DLA-1 also has augmented the Network 1 (Beam Sur) TPN array. I expect there will be up to four additional Regional Networks that will soon be making an appearance too.

    We also have the necessary data from the DLA-1 Schedule S; I expect it will all logically come together. As quickly as we can, we will work through it and post what seems to make sense.

    One last note - look at the current "Network Decoder" tab for the Latin TPN Map - the Receiver Display numbering has always seemed 'a mess' to me. But we have just posted what the LA units present. Net 1 for instance displays TPNs labeled 13-20 and then 21-24. Oh well.
     
  6. Sep 19, 2014 #506 of 2176
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    Thanks Alan. This really sucks. There are several shows both new and old that I'd like to watch on CW but refuse to watch in SD.

    And now after my recent Genie upgrade, I don't know how or why but the installer changed my dish LNB and setup so now I don't even see my local CW channel 24 in the guide anymore. Guess I'll call D* back and bug them about it some more. :nono2:
     
  7. Sep 19, 2014 #507 of 2176
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    On the 9/17 TPN Map, WTLF is still in *TEST status. That is a very good sign.
     
  8. Sep 19, 2014 #508 of 2176
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    Updated LATIN TPN Map

    An updated Latin TPN Map has just been posted.

    For the first time, we have references to Networks 3 and 4, Networks expected to be provided by the soon-to-launch DLA-1.

    This weeks TPN Map has -two- Network Decoder tabs, so I could provide you both the current and a new Network Decoder view. We have some system data which has enabled us to assemble a 'forthcoming' Network Decoder with the inclusion of DLA-1. Note too that Network 2, (Beam PR) has been 'robbed' of all but one TPN in the new layout.

    An additional 4 Regional Networks are expected but have not yet appeared in the data.
     
  9. Sep 20, 2014 #509 of 2176
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    So Gary if I'm reading this correctly;

    It seems the forthcoming TPN map reflecting the addition thus far of DLA-1's Pan-Regional 1&2 transponder sets appear to merge the "new" Network 3 (or Pan-Regional 1 @ 16 transponders) into Network 0 (Beam Oeste @ 15 transponders) making for 16 transponders by the addition of one more (tp. 25) in a "revised" Network 0 (Beam Oeste).

    Downlink 11.450-11.7 GHz, same as the current Net. 0

    And the "new: Network 4 (or Pan-Regional 2 @ 16 transponders) will merge into Network 1 (Beam Sur @ 12 transponders), bringing a revised Network 1 to 16 transponders through the addition of 4 more (tps. 2, 3, 4, and 5).

    Downlink 11.95-12.2 GHz, same as the current Net. 1

    How the 4 regional transponders sets will appear is unknown of course,

    Also, the single transponder 11 for network 2 (Beam PR) has to come from one of 54 MHz wide transponders (according to FCC filings) on G3C that was formally used by Beam PR to transmit HD programming before PR's transition to DIRECTV USA and the SL-5 dish.

    Though the FCC docs. show those tps. as having linear downlink polarization (Lyngsat says circular) which makes no sense and probably an error.
     
  10. Sep 20, 2014 #510 of 2176
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    Sorry - I don't understand your use of the term 'merge' for Net 3 and Net 4 in your post above. Perhaps you are visualizing the new DLA Nets as immediate replacements for GLA services.

    But instead of a 'merge', my admittedly limited view right now perceives the new DLA-1 networks providing service in addition to all the existing GLA transponders.

    We still have much more to learn.
     
  11. Sep 21, 2014 #511 of 2176
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    Ok, perhaps "merge" isn't the correct term :)

    Was thinking at the time that since you only used the same old "GLA" network numbers in the future prospective Network Decoder map which includes the initial contributions from DLA-1. And given that GLA-0 and Network 3 from DLA-1, and GLA-1 and Network 4 from DLA-1 use the same respective downlink frequency bands.

    I thought the implication was the new "Pan-Regional 1" transponder set from DLA-1 will become a revised GLA-0 or Beam Oeste now with 16 transponders (numbered 25-40) instead of the previous 15. And the new "Pan- Regional 2" transponder set from DLA-1 will become a revised GLA-1 or Beam Sur now with 16 transponders (numbered 2-5, and 13-24) instead of the previous 12.
     
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  12. Sep 21, 2014 #512 of 2176
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    I think that is a pretty good analysis, but if that was true why have them now separated. I mean...if they are setting everything up, why create 5 network if in the end there will only be 2 (not counting the spot).

    I think that initially there will be 5 + 4 spot and when the G3C goes out of service, maybe with DLA-1 and 2 they will merge.
     
  13. Sep 21, 2014 #513 of 2176
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    To say it another way:

    Given the data we have thus far --

    G3C Beam Oeste is filled out to 16 TPNs, 25 through 40
    G3C Beam Sur is filled out to 16 TPNs, 2 through 5, plus 13 through 24
    G3C Beam PR is left with but 1 TPN, TPN 11

    In Addition --

    DLA1 PAN-1, Net 3 is filled with 24 TPNs, 41 through 64
    DLA1 PAN-2, Net 4 is filled with 24 TPNs, 65 through 88


    We still have 4 Logical Regional Networks that need to fit into the plan.
     
  14. Sep 21, 2014 #514 of 2176
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    Gary, based on this here (in red) is it really certain the "PAN-1" and "-2" (or Net. 3 and 4) are not actually the Regional transponders?

    As the only transponder sets with 24 counts each in the FCC docs are the Regionals

    That is perhaps Regions 1 and 2 are combined = 24 transponders?
    and Regions 3 and 4 are combined = 24 transponders?

    The Pan-Pegional sets (or PANs) are only 16 apiece.
     
  15. Sep 21, 2014 #515 of 2176
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    I would agree with you wholeheartedly - I think we will find that Regions 1 through 4 are more accurately, just sub-sets of of the two PAN logical networks. Actually, I expect we will end up with 6 logical Regions: PAN 1, PAN 2 and Regions 1 through 4, where the PAN subsets are more 'wide beam' and the Region 1-4 subsets are more limited 'narrow beam'.
     
  16. Sep 21, 2014 #516 of 2176
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    Added an updated Latin TPN Map of 9/20 --

    A fresh Latin TPN Map of 9/20 has been added to post #1, along with the previous Latin TPN Map of 9/16. It is not that there are any great changes, but comparing the two 'Hybrid' tabs, you can see ongoing changes in the 'Test Transponder Channel' records.
     
  17. Sep 21, 2014 #517 of 2176
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    Yeah;

    I think that since the 4 regional beams are not spatially isolated from one another, but heavily overlap in pairs of 1/2 and 3/4,

    The 24 transponders in each pair must be shared by the two beams. Therefore if say 12 of the 24 total transponders are used in regional beam 1 than only the other unused 12 will be available for use in regional beam 2 since they both overlap. Same situation with regional beams 3 and 4.

    So too summarize the possibly new decoder map is something to the effect of;

    Pan-Regional 1 = The 16 transponders of a revised GLA-0 (Beam Oeste)

    Pan-Regional 2 = The 16 transponders of a revised GLA-1 (Beam Sur)

    Beam PR = One transponder (#11) of a revised GLA-2 (Beam PR)

    Regional 1/2 = 24 transponders of the new Network 3. DLA-3 (Regional Beams 1/2)

    Regional 3/4 = 24 transponders of a new Network 4. DLA-4 (Regional Beams 3/4)

    Then perhaps, with the exception of GLA-2 (Beam PR) which must come G3C, the "GLA" designation will be changed to "DLA" for networks 0 and 1 once DLA-1 launches and becomes operational.
     
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  18. Sep 22, 2014 #518 of 2176
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    Gary,

    This theory could explain the 2 "mystery" TP?
     
  19. Sep 26, 2014 #519 of 2176
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    [SIZE=14pt]Doctor J Comments for the 9/24/14 Domestic Data:[/SIZE]




    CONUS: New HD and SD Channels in *TEST

    0 *FUSN 342 13 D8 @101W Test: CONUS Record 012 0032 Fusion
    Fusion

    15 *FUSNHD 342 5 D10 @103W Test: CONUS Record 128 1030 Fusion HD
    Fusion HD

    0 *LHN 677 22 D9S @101W Test: CONUS Record 021 0082 Longhorn Network
    Longhorn Network

    15 *LHNHD 677 5 D10 @103W Test: CONUS Record 128 1020 Longhorn Network HD
    Longhorn Network HD





    HD Local-Into-Local: New Channels in *TEST:

    MKT 62, Net 573 Eugene, OR
    14 *KEVU 23 16 D10 or D12 @103W Test: Local-Into-Local Record 173 1080 62
    A3 Eugene 23 KEVU MNT MNT from KEVUDT-TV, 23, Eugene, OR

    14 *KTVC 36 16 D10 or D12 @103W Test: Local-Into-Local Record 173 1070 62
    A3 Eugene 36 KTVC IND IND from KTVCDT-TV, 36, Eugene, OR

    MKT 72, NET 583 Fresno-Visalia, CA
    14 *KNXT 49 17 D10 or D12 @103W Test: Local-Into-Local Record 184 1050 72
    A3 Fresno 49 KNXT ETV ETV from KNXTDT-TV, 49, Fresno, CA
     
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    Hey Gary;

    Minor questions here;

    I see not since the 8/13 TPN map are you labeling that strange "150" code seen (on the customer end anyhow) in the Network ID string of the receiver diagnostics as for 103ca on the Net. Decoder sheet.

    Changed your mind about it?

    And do you think DIRECTV is simply mislabeling the transponders used by the Puerto Rico ODU test channels (9507 and 9509) as "even" as seen in the notes when they are actually odd ones. Tp. "3" on SW1 and Tp. "5" on SW2?

    I also find it strange PR would only have ODU test channels for one tp. polarity on each Spaceway when two are used on each bird for that market.

    Note; I'm also getting another new code number of "81" in the Net. ID string following the Market ID now, but only on the Genie. Though I heavily doubt it of course, I guess it won't hurt to ask if anyone has a clue as to what that might be for?

    Not important mind you, but inquiring (if not just nosy?) minds always want to know anyway .... :)

    EDIT: Sorry brain lock;

    The "81" in the receiver network ID string is the Market ID for Greenville, Greenville-Spartacus local market which I have selected as a secondary market in my AM21 setup on the Genie to get sub-channels not in DIRECTV's database (wrong guide data notwithstanding).

    Should have surmised as much since the number is listed following the primary market ID of 113 (for LA), but as I say .... "brain lock."
     

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