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Transponder Maps: Domestic ~ Data 10/18/2017

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Tips and Resources' started by Gary Toma, Dec 26, 2012.

  1. Jun 8, 2013 #121 of 2127
    Gary Toma

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    Doctor J Comments for the 6/6/13 Data:



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  2. Jun 8, 2013 #122 of 2127
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    Directv have removed all the HD for Puerto Rico on the G3C, is expected that the space would be used for new channels for Latin America.

    All those channel were previousy on the Spaceways sats.
     
  3. Jun 9, 2013 #123 of 2127
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    Wow ... that was fast ... :eek2:

    You mean everyone using Beam PR's HD feeds including those subscribers within the beam's footprint outside of Puerto Rico like the US Virgin Is. and possibly Dominican Republic have been converted over to Slimline-5 based installs already?

    Wish something like the transfer from 72.5w for DIRECTV USA subs. which took seemingly forever to complete here moved with that kind of speed ... :grin:

    Does this mean SD only customers in PR and surrounding countries have not been all converted over yet, therefore transponder 25 has not yet been returned to Beam Oeste?

    And as I once posted on this issue, I don't see how the transponders used by the now "former" Beam PR for the HD feeds can be reused elsewhere in Latin America since the beam they use appear to cover only North America and PR.
     
  4. Jun 9, 2013 #124 of 2127
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    Wow ... that was fast ... :eek2:

    You mean everyone using Beam PR's HD feeds including those subscribers within the beam's footprint outside of Puerto Rico like the US Virgin Is. and possibly Dominican Republic have been converted over to Slimline-5 based installs already?

    Wish something like the transfer from 72.5w for DIRECTV USA subs. which took seemingly forever to complete here moved with that kind of speed ... :grin:

    Does this mean SD only customers in PR and surrounding countries have not been all converted over yet, therefore transponder 25 has not yet been returned to Beam Oeste?

    And as I once posted on this issue, I don't see how the transponders used by the now "former" Beam PR for the HD feeds can be reused elsewhere in Latin America since the beam they use appear to cover only North America and PR.


    Beam OESTE still has tons of SD channels for PR, what I expect is for Directv to move those channels for Beam PR y then can use the free space for LATAM.

    Directv doesn't offers HD for the "Caribean". And yes it seams that all HD have been converted and But not all SD. BTW, I expect directv to keep using G3C for PR, remember there are a few channels that are common with the one in Latam.
     
  5. Jun 9, 2013 #125 of 2127
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    OK, thanks for that clarification, but can you give some examples of these "few channels" common to both PR and LA which will cause some level of service into PR from the G3C bird to continue?

    I thought once converted PR customers can no longer receive anything from G3C.
     
  6. Jun 9, 2013 #126 of 2127
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    If I'm not mistaken.... Channels: 225, 226, 227, 734, to mention some...

    What I meant about reallocating some channels, look at this: 161-178, 228, 242-262, 272, to mention some...those channels are exclusively for PR, the can move those channels for the Beam PR, freeing Some space for Latam. That is what I think they will do.

    Another thing to think about is: the new satellite is also though to give service to PR once the G3C is sent to better life. Look at the footprint.
     
  7. Jun 9, 2013 #127 of 2127
    P Smith

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    Ummm, perhaps real is 36 MHz ?

    I don't recall seen such on a screen of SA. May be it could, but seems to me no one consumer's receiver could accept the value.
     
  8. Jun 9, 2013 #128 of 2127
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    Yeah ...

    Only filing data for Intelsat 30 has been published so far and its payload data shows a lot more bandwidth for the [SIZE=14.399999618530273px]successor[/SIZE] to Beam Oeste. There are 2 sets of 16 24 MHz wide transponders on "Pan Regional" beams for a total of 32 covering all LA and the [SIZE=14.399999618530273px]Caribbean[/SIZE] down-linking between 11.45-11.7 GHz and 11.95-12.2 GHz..

    These again though appear for SD channels only however.
     
  9. Jun 9, 2013 #129 of 2127
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    If I'm not mistaken.... Channels: 225, 226, 227, 734, to mention some...

    What I meant about reallocating some channels, look at this: 161-178, 228, 242-262, 272, to mention some...those channels are exclusively for PR, the can move those channels for the Beam PR, freeing Some space for Latam. That is what I think they will do.


    Ah I see;

    You're referring to freeing up spectrum on Beam Oeste. I thought you were referring to PR's former HD bandwidth along with the issue that gct's mapping info. for LA doesn't consistently show those channels as exclusive to PR, so I didn't notice that some channels were. In fact I actually thought all channels on Beam Oeste were available to everyone in LA and the Caribbean. :sure:

    The only thing is, it would be only SD bandwidth allocations opening up.
    .... Another thing to think about is: the new satellite is also though to give service to PR once the G3C is sent to better life. Look at the footprint.


    Yeah ...

    Only filing data for Intelsat 30 has been published so far and its payload data shows a lot more bandwidth for the successor to Beam Oeste. There are 2 sets of 16 24 MHz wide transponders on "Pan Regional" beams for a total of 32 covering all LA and the Caribbean down-linking between 11.45-11.7 GHz and 11.95-12.2 GHz..

    These again though appear for SD channels only however.

    That's correct!!!
     
  10. Jun 9, 2013 #130 of 2127
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    Unless the FCC filing data is wrong here, if you can find those 36 MHz transponders P. Smith, or can make any other sense of this data in this regard I'd more than appreciate it. :)

    The only transponders in the attached FCC tech. document for G3C that match the frequencies listed on LyngSat, can accept the symbol and code rate you published, and have the necessary geographical coverage are four 54 MHz wide transponders on a N.A.+ PR beam of which three I assume were used for Puerto Rican HD.

    Also if you can reconcile how these transponders can be listed as linear polarization on downlink when circular is needed as is posted on LyngSat would be very appreciated as well.
     
  11. Jun 10, 2013 #131 of 2127
    P Smith

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    54 = 2x27 MHz - could be it's aggregrated number? For combined H and V polarization ?

    Perhaps it cannot reach NorCal ... but anyway, no one GLA tpn by combination of SR & /Modumlation is using 54 MHz, could be 36 MHz max if SR close to30Msps or 24 MHz for lower SR

    The PDF is old, perhaps initially proposed. but again current tuners/demod chips would not appreciate 54 MHz tpns
     
  12. Jun 10, 2013 #132 of 2127
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    But can't it just be a case of a 36 MHz wide signal spectrum sent down the middle of a 54 MHz wide transponder? IOW, approx. 9 MHz on either band tp. edge is unused?

    Like with the Spaceways a 36 MHz wide signal spectrum within a 62.5 MHz wide transponder size.

    ​Certainly not an [SIZE=14.399999618530273px]efficient way of doing business, but nevertheless possible[/SIZE]

    Possibly;

    Though if true I can't imagine the FCC being happy about such outdated info. still on file without updates. But perhaps it slipped through the cracks.
     
  13. Jun 10, 2013 #133 of 2127
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    Also of interesting note;

    It appears a new DLA LNB will be needed, to receive HD service for Intelsat 30/31 which can accommodate 12 new 36 MHz wide transponders on regional South American beams in 10.95-11.2 GHz band.
     
  14. Jun 10, 2013 #134 of 2127
    P Smith

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    Damn ! New LNBF.

    Just to get G3C low freq tpns you'll need special circular LNBF, now this one ... it's like European universal, but South American fashion: circular.
     
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    Also of interesting note;

    It appears a new DLA LNB will be needed, to receive HD service for Intelsat 30/31 which can accommodate 12 new 36 MHz wide transponders on regional South American beams in 10.95-11.2 GHz band.


    yes, I already have it installed. :) about two months ago.
     
  16. Jun 10, 2013 #136 of 2127
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    They're distributing those new LNBFs down there already in anticipation of Intelsat 30/31?

    Covering 10.95-11.2 GHz, and 11.450-12.2 GHz?

    Is it just the LNBF which is swapped out or a new dish assembly as well?

    Note: Oh, and BTW, congratulations on getting the Sundance channel down there;

    Though I think like with us here on DIRECTV USA, its only going to be in SD ... :grin:

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/directv-latin-america-launch-sundance-565575
     
  17. Jun 11, 2013 #137 of 2127
    egakagoc2xi

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    They're distributing those new LNBFs down there already in anticipation of Intelsat 30/31?

    Covering 10.95-11.2 GHz, and 11.450-12.2 GHz?

    Is it just the LNBF which is swapped out or a new dish assembly as well?

    Note: Oh, and BTW, congratulations on getting the Sundance channel down there;

    Though I think like with us here on DIRECTV USA, its only going to be in SD ... :grin:

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/directv-latin-america-launch-sundance-565575



    Yes, I believe I will be on SD also.

    They just swapped the LNBF, they have been doing so, since December.
     
  18. Jun 11, 2013 #138 of 2127
    P Smith

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    If you could give the LNBF's model exactly. Will it support a range 11 GHz ?
     
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    Based on the Ku band frequency plan chart for Intelsat 30 I posted back in my post #134 P. Smith, it would have to support most of 11 GHz at least ...

    Transponders will occupy from 10.95-11.2 GHz and 11.45-12.2 GHz.

    A 1.25 GHz span with a 250 MHz gap between 11.2 and 11.45 GHz.
     
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    egakagoc2xi

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