Tribune dispute with Dish - Resolved

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  1. Blowgun

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    The Travel Channel has this expanding bug reminding the viewers how annoying they can be, that would often enough cover permanent on-screen subtitles until they told the shows to move their subtitles out of the way. Discovery Channel keeps their new big obnoxious bug in view on the bottom-right and places a banner advertisement (such as Bass Pro Shop) on the left during programming. Their new black hole graphics, made to look like a text message, periodically suck the life out of the program you are now watching by covering a large portion of the screen with upcoming programming reminders.

    I can't remember offhand, but one or perhaps two of the big Networks are completely covering the bottom-third with an animated upcoming programming advertisement. And not to feel left out, the local channels are inserting their ads for the 11pm news with a headline banner during network programming. And, when you do watch for breaking news they like to referrer you to follow their Facebook page or use their stupid app to get updates on the story rather then breaking into programming and serving the whole community.

    And of course the ID bug isn't about ID at all, if it was the bug would be there during commercials. The phallic symbol does nothing to impede someone recording the program as they don't care. It is as if it's sole purpose is to annoy the people legitimately watching the program. Whether it is cable news or some other channel filling the screen with as much animated nonsense as they can, it's not as bad as this example:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YQ_HGvrHEU

    At least not yet. And for those that claim to ignore the on-screen graphic mess, marvelous, you're part of the problem.
     
  2. inkahauts

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    Radio really just can't be compared to video. Radio went down a different path than tv did and tv will never follow the same path. I look at all the streaming options for radio as things that have hurt sales of cds and such not as a way of changing how over the air radio works. Very very different.
     
  3. STDog

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    Not talking about music. Talking about nationwide, syndicated shows that are aired live or tape delayed.

    They are generally on single stations in a given market.

    Early on stations couldn't stream them, all they could stream were locally produced shows. But radio figured out that letting the stations stream the shows was good for business.

    So I now have many ways to listen to a given show, from a plethora of stations on iHeartRadio, the stations own streaming app/website, to the show's own app/site.

    Previous shows are paywalled, for a few days in some cases, after a few days in other cases, sometimes never. They keep the commercials intact, offer narrated by the show host. Local station commercials are missing from the show's archive, but local station archive keep local ads.

    Video could follow a similar model.
     
  4. mwdxer

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    Here in NW Oregon we have little variety of talk radio. I am not a fan of Rush. The distant stations that run talk, fade and have noise. A few years ago I bought a wifi radio. I can listen to nearly every talk show in the World. It is a blast. I may listen to a talk station out of the UK, or Australia, New Zealand, or anyway in US or Canada. I wish TV would have gone in the same direction. Even though with the Roku, where TV channels are available Worldwide, we still do not have what we have with streaming radio.I love streaming. It has opened up a world I never knew existed and it improves daily. New streaming channels are available all of the time.
     
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  5. Wilf

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    Thanks for reminding this cord cutter how awful cable/satellite can be. From what you are describing, it has become a lot worse since I was last connected.
     
  6. James Long

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    To be fair, John Oliver's graphics were mocking Indian TV. But there are American channels who can't stop putting banners up.
     
  7. oldanbo

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    hijacked :nono2:
     
  8. KevinRS

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    At this point, with both sides essentially having said the other side was intransigent and unwilling to negotiate, one side claimed to want arbitration, the other claimed to want to go before a judge, and nothing since, it may be that the tribune stations aren't coming back any time soon.
    Yes some people will switch providers over it, but others won't, and will eventually basically forget about the stations, especially since they are not listed in the guide(maybe that's why). The stations will be marginalized in the minds of those who don't switch, and will lose value. Tribune is losing re-transmission fees over this from the beginning, as well as advertising revenue.
    What happens when the negotiations come up between tribune and direct, or comcast, or time warner? Those companies may see a reason to take a harder line in negotiations than they would have otherwise.

    At this point, I was trying to remember just what if anything I was watching on KTLA, and couldn't remember. Looking it up, there are 5 scripted shows I was watching, they have all been between seasons, and the first don't start up until mid October. They've been off since April or May. I guess if it's not back I have less recording conflicts to worry about.
    At this point, I can still watch those shows past 5 episodes at the network's site anyway, so maybe I'll keep watching them.
    There's another suicidal issue for shows like the adding more and more commercials. Since when is it a full 6 months between one season and the next. By the time a show comes back, I've half forgotten about it, and watch or record something else in that time slot. It's also irritating when some networks split seasons, so there's a season 5.1 and 5.2, then even worse when you look at the season start dates, each year started later, so they spread 5 seasons over 6 years.
     
  9. mwdxer

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    Yes, there used to be that 3 month Summer break and then the new season would begin. TV programs seem to start their new seasons at about any time now.
     
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  10. Michael P

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    For me I "lost" my local FOX station which normally would be a big deal. However I only live eight tenths of a mile from their transmitter and can pick them up with a paper clip or coat hanger if I wanted to and my DVR has an OTA module. I needed OTA anyway to get the "netlet" sub-channels.

    Fortunately Dish is providing the guide data for the "lost" station in the EPG. Ironically Tribune is the company that provides the EPG guide data.
     
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  11. neilo

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    The CW shows I watch come back the first week in October. I really hope this is resolved before that.
     
  12. James Long

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    Talks have resumed ... so there is some hope.
     
  13. mwdxer

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    Talks have resumed. At least that is good.
     
  14. DoyleS

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    That is good because there aren't any OTA modules available for the Hopper. The Tribune negotiation caused a scramble and all of the online sites say backorder and end of September.
     
  15. mwdxer

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    Having a 211k for several years now, aren't most of the newer Hoppers/Joeys able to get OTA?
     
  16. n0qcu

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    OTA requires an optional part that DISH is currently out of stock


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  18. mwdxer

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    No other Dish receivers has any built in OTA module except the 211k? That is odd. I guess that was a good investment and having the DVR function with the outboard HDD is also very nice. Is the 211k still available? Maybe I should pick up a spare and put it away increase mine dies. However, as many years that I had the 2700, it never died either. I retired it when I bought the 211k.
     
  19. STDog

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    You can still buy them. Lots if refurbished and used ones out there.

    The newer 211z doesn't have the builtin OTA tuner.
     
  20. mwdxer

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    In the meantime I did do some checking and Dish Depot still has them for $99, so not a bad price. I may buy one as a back up, but I presume Dish would replace mine, if they are available at the time, but who knows if they will be available then. I paid $169 back when I bought mine years ago. I guess keeping a new one in the box, if I ever need one, would not be a bad idea. However, by the time I might need it, Dish may have changed to some other transmission form. I bought the 211k at the time as it is HD and several new channels I could not get with the old 2700, being MPEG2, I bought it and then discovered the HDD option and the OTA tuner. The OTA tuner did not do much much good until our translators finally went digital. But it sure is a nice receiver all in one package, but I do wish it would to Dish on Demand, but no streaming option, so that it why I am glad I do have the Roku.
     

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