Tribune dispute with Dish - Resolved

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  1. fudpucker

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    Got an install scheduled for today (Hopper 3, two 4K Joeys) - I was interested in getting a module for OTA, but thinking about it, such a module would be of very limited capability for me, since it only allows viewing/recording one channel at a time. We've got a thin square OTA antenna we use to watch the locals live if we've got bad weather interfering with our satellite reception, but I never hooked up my AM-21 for the Genie, we just connect the antenna directly to the TV.

    If we could hook up an OTA to the Hopper that allowed us to record more than one OTA channel at once (we tend to record everything we watch and then watch at our leisure) I'd actually consider a good outside OTA antenna - our indoor one has to be oriented in different directions to get different channels. But for OTA to be a true option for us, it sounds like we'd have to spend money on some kind of Tivo option and a good outdoor antenna. A real PIA. Which is why having Dish work out deals with our local network providers is a Really Big Deal for us.
     
  2. tampa8

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    The VIP 612 has a built in OTA module.
     
  3. fudpucker

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    It's really interesting that the newer equipment doesn't have OTA built in. My old Directv IRD/DVR back in 2007/8 had OTA capabilities built in; I was shocked when I plugged in a digital OTA antenna in it, did a scan, and suddenly had a plethora of KC locals and sub-stations in the guide!
     
  4. tampa8

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    Most likely a cost savings. Only those who want it get and DISH produces/pays for less of them. In fact some TV's are coming out without an ATSC (OTA) tuner and you can buy an outboard unit if you want it.
     
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  5. Stewart Vernon

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    A combination of cost savings, especially since it appears the majority of Dish customers don't buy/use the add-on OTA module AND the fact that OTA tuners have still been an evolving and improving technology. Also, with the potential to introduce MP4 and also UHD broadcast via OTA at some point, it will be a whole lot easier to offer new OTA modules for their 4K receivers than to have to swap out an entire receiver.
     
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  6. Tiki God

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    Excuse my technical ignorance, but are some suggesting that I can record the CW with my Hopper 3 using an OTA antenna? Funny I just returned to Dish after a horrible year with DirecT and as soon as I return they get into a dispute with the only major network I actually watch. I'm just hoping they get all of this straightened out by the time the Flash returns. :)
     
  7. James Long

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    If you can find one of the USB tuner models and can receive your CW OTA you would be good to go.
    The first hard part is finding the module.
     
  9. Jhon69

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    There seems to be an interesting result with having a Dish OTA tuner built in or the module or the dongle for some reason when the TV signal drops down to 58%,the lost signal warning appears. :confused:

    But with the OTA tuner built in my TV, the signal can drop to 10% before I lose the picture?
     
  10. mwdxer

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    I gather the tuner in the 211k is not the most sensitive, dropping off at only 58%. Here, I am close enough to the translators I get 100% on all but one and that one 94-95%. Even my more sensitive tuners still will not lock on any distant signals. Digital does not like multipath. Gone are the days of the snowy picture being acceptable. Either I get it, or I don't. No in between here these days.
     
  11. HobbyTalk

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    Depends on the base for the percentage. The TV could be basing it as 0 is where the TV can no longer decode the signal where the 211K tuner is basing 0 off of complete lack of any signal.
     
  12. nmetro

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    The DISH USB OTA tuner has some weird issues.

    1. Lack of shielding; it can be affected by electronic around it.
    2. Scanning. It scans at about 2 seconds per channel. My TV does about 4 seconds,and I get more channels through my TV.
    3. The inability to scan fro a specific channel.
    4. String channels sometimes don't scan, hence why #3 would be nice.
    5. As other's have pointed out, only one tuner. If you have Joeys, one one TC can watch OTA. While Super Joeys do have a USB port; as probably other Joeys, none support the USB OTA tuner.

    For me, I do not have to worry about the multiple TV or viewer issue. But, fro families, it could be a problem. Especially, with broadcaster disputes occurring almost constantly.

    One would think that a firmware update would allow at least Super Joeys to also support an USEB OTA module.

    Of course, trying to find one, since the Tribune dispute started, is an issue.

    Finally, if you buy one, it should not cost above $39.99. I saw one on E-Bay for well over $100.

    Of course, it could be worse. DirectTV this box, about the size of a hopper, for OTA. It will only scan in channels that it has in a database which has not been maintained fro at least 5 years. Even if it gets a signal; it ignores it. To get around it, you keep have to put in secondary zip codes to allow it scan fro missing channels at the same frequency. For a place like Denver, it takes about 8 or 9 zip codes to do it. In the end, you have a frequency, and the channel will have the wrong ID. For example, RF 15 on Houston has all the same subchannels as RF 15 in Denver, but RF 15 Houston was religious channels, but in Denver they are a Spanish channel plus three general sub channels.

    Finally, OTA is provided as a "convenience", but DISH would rather have you watch satellite.

     
  13. mwdxer

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    I am sure Dish would have the viewer watch satellite, but at least at this time, most of the sub channel fare is not available on Dish, so having that OTA tuner is a real plus.
     
  14. James Long

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    I do not believe DISH cares how you watch (or if you watch) as long as you are paying your subscription.
     
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  15. Sep 3, 2016 #235 of 247
    tampa8

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    Resolved short time ago.
     
  16. Sep 3, 2016 #236 of 247
    phrelin

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    Here's the immediate news release:

    DISH and Tribune Broadcasting Reach Agreement on Carriage and Retransmission Consent
    Comprehensive Contract Covers 42 Local Television Stations and Cable Net WGN America

    CHICAGO and ENGLEWOOD, Colo., Sept. 3, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Tribune Broadcasting, a subsidiary of Tribune Media (NYSE: TRCO), and DISH Network L.L.C., a wholly-owned subsidiary of DISH Network Corporation (NASDAQ: DISH), today announced a long-term, comprehensive agreement on carriage and retransmission consent. The agreement restores DISH carriage of Tribune Broadcasting's 42 local television stations in 33 markets, and Tribune's cable network, WGN America.

    The companies issued the following joint statement:

    "We want to thank our viewers and customers for their patience and support as we worked through this lengthy process. We're pleased to move forward and again be able to provide the content of Tribune's local stations and WGN America for years to come."

    Both WGN America and Tribune's local stations are expected to again be available to DISH customers later today. Terms of the agreement were not disclosed.
     
  17. Sep 3, 2016 #237 of 247
    STDog

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    I got an email from Dish at 7pm (CDT) telling me that my one Tribune owned local is back.

    Also a code for a free PPV movie
     
  18. Sep 4, 2016 #238 of 247
    david91722

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    Good call. Can you give me next week's winning Powerball numbers? :righton:
     
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    david91722

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    I'm pleasantly surprised that both sides negotiated during a holiday weekend! Especially at this stage of the dispute. They could have easily taken the weekend off and returned to the bargaining table on Tuesday.
     
  20. Sep 4, 2016 #240 of 247
    John79605

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    We lost WPIX on 916 when the dispute started. We lost the message from Dish on 916 when the EPG changes happened. WPIX hasn't been restored for us. Should I expect it? I'm in Abilene, and WPIX filled in for CW not uplinked.
     

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