True Detective (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by TomCat, Jan 23, 2014.

  1. Supramom2000

    Supramom2000 In Loving Memory of Onyx-2/23/09

    Jun 20, 2007
    Colbert, WA
    Thanks Tom! Well worth the wait.

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  2. cdc101

    cdc101 Godfather

    Jan 8, 2007
    Wow...fantastic review, Tom. Couldn't agree more!
  3. camo

    camo Godfather

    Apr 15, 2010
    Nice review Tom, and your right about HBO go,many family members that can't afford HBO I'm sure using it.
  4. TomCat

    TomCat Broadcast Engineer

    Aug 31, 2002
    Here is what I am wondering now.

    My guess is that the community of great writers of TV and movies have probably noticed this upstart, Nic P. and how amazingly talented he is, and I wonder just how much this will affect in a positive way, the creativity of other great writers.

    I hear stories about how Eric Clapton, Pete Townshend, Paul McCartney, and an entire laundry list of great guitarists reacted to their first exposure to Jimi Hendrix. Donavan Leitch also mentioned this on a great interview with Howard Stern last week. Some were so affected that they wanted to quit playing (I'm sure few did even if that might have been the original feeling), and some felt they had to go back and relearn the guitar all over again. But regardless, you can hear Jimi's influence in nearly every rock guitar recording since 1968, either directly or indirectly. He changed everything. He made every guitar player that much better, and he's been doing that from the grave for 45 years, which is an amazing accomplisjment.

    We can only hope that Nic P. has that affect on writers currently, and way into the future. The adjective that fits Jimi's influence best is probably "seminal", and that is the adjective we only hope we can apply to Nic. Let's hope he changes everything, too.
  5. phrelin

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Jan 18, 2007
    I've gotten a bit behind here due to non-TV life, but I too want to compliment Tom on his review and on noting that "good" TV leaves you with a mixture of feelings, sometimes unresolved feelings.

    About the green ears thing, I haven't entered into the discussion anywhere else on it being a weak plot element, but here I'll wonder out loud if Nic was playing in his mind with the phrase "green behind the ears" meaning "naive, lacking experience and/or understanding." I have no way of knowing, of course.

    Hopefully Nic Pizzolatto's work will set a new paradigm for a generation of writers. At age 38 he has gained experience creating a body of work including a novel, award winning short stories, and prior TV script writing experience that included two episodes of the first season of "The Killing." And he taught fiction and literature at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the University of Chicago, and DePauw University until 2010 which is the kind of experience that makes one explore the deeper levels of writing process.

    I hope that if he is going to do a second series of episodes that he takes his time. HBO is generally willing to let that happen.
  6. TomCat

    TomCat Broadcast Engineer

    Aug 31, 2002
    I think that is another reason why the HBO model that so many now are following, of 13 or fewer eps per season, works well. If you have a 22-ep season you have to start providing full shows again in a mere 30 weeks, and since they are stretched out from September to May, you really only have 13-14 weeks between shipping the last ep of last season, and the first ep of the next season.

    Its no wonder that Jack Bauer's daughter faced off with a mountain lion. They had simply run dry of actual ideas for a short time. Who would not expect that? And hey, we all love Jack, but I can't carve out the time for 24 eps a year for him; I'm much happier having him visit just 12 times this season.

    Creativity seldom works like that, and it seldom can produce a volume like that. When you are pushing out 22 eps a year, or one every 2 1/2 weeks for 7 seasons straight, there is no wonder why a show gets old and quality goes down hill. Lost only got reinvigorated when they set an end date two years down the road, and of shorter seasons. The burnout factor alone turns TV into an assembly line where content in churned out based on the need for content rather than the natural flow of creativity. When it is a labor of love, sometimes the arc is only 8 weeks. You can't just turn creativity on and off like a faucet.

    One of the smartest creative guys out there is Louie CK. He has carte blanche at FX, and told them "no, Im going to skip a year" when they wanted to continue his series. So he has been off of FX for 19-20 months since his award-winning comedy was last seen with new eps. But it will probably be worth the wait when the new ones arrive fairly soon, because Louie is smart enough to take the time to do it right.

    HBO aired Nic's TD in 9 weeks, and he probably only has to shoot for approximately the same time frame (start date) as this season, so he has ~43 weeks between finale and premiere. And that bodes well for creativity.

    Thanks, all, for the kind words. I sort of thought I might get crucified for going on so long. I promise that any future post I make will be shorter (unless something comes along that blows the doors off of TD).
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  7. cdc101

    cdc101 Godfather

    Jan 8, 2007
    LOL! I read every single word of it....and I am usually a tl;dr kind of guy too. :)
  8. TomCat

    TomCat Broadcast Engineer

    Aug 31, 2002
    They're now talking Brad Pitt for season two. Pitt has a deal of some sort with HBO already. Maybe it will be Brad Pitt and his brother Stu! (Stu Pitt...get it?)
  9. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

    Jun 18, 2006
    Yeah, Tom, I get it... not funny ;)

    In seriousness, count me as another fan of your reviews, very well done. It's nice to see a member putting that level of effort into content in this forum. And I agree that if writers are smart they will start upping their games, considering the excellent serial dramas out there today. I have a feeling that some folks will give Mr. Pizzolato demerits for ending his series on a more procedural note, and finally showing Rust that life is worth living... but that was true to the plot and the characters, and quite fitting I thought. As noted in an earlier post I just didn't like some of the choices, but the overall product was excellent.
  10. TomCat

    TomCat Broadcast Engineer

    Aug 31, 2002
    Appreciated. It was more to elicit a groan than to be funny, BTW.

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