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Trying to understand the technology. Why can't you pause a show on H models?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by 996911, Sep 5, 2010.

  1. Sep 5, 2010 #1 of 34
    996911

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    I understand the differences between the boxes (H and HR) but I'm trying to understand the technology that prevents the H box from allowing you to pause or rewind a live show. TIA!
     
  2. Sep 5, 2010 #2 of 34
    mobandit

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    The H models don't have anything with which to "buffer" live TV...no hard drive...no significant RAM or flash memory...
     
  3. Sep 5, 2010 #3 of 34
    996911

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    That's what I was thinking. Stupid follow-up question then.....With memory sooooooooo cheap why wouldn't they have a small amount of flash memory to buffer, say, <1hr (or even 30min)??? That would be a huge selling point, wouldn't it?
     
  4. Sep 5, 2010 #4 of 34
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    It wouldn't take a "small amount of memory" to do that.....
     
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    carl6

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    Yes, a huge selling point - which is why you want to get a DVR rather than a receiver.
     
  6. Sep 5, 2010 #6 of 34
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    We have 2 boxes right now and am moving to 3 during our install that is coming up in a couple weeks. The setup will be 2 HD DVR boxes and 1 HD box. I didn't see the need to have 3 DVR boxes. I just got so used to being able to pause a live show (regular occurrence with a 1 and 3 year old). No biggie but that feature is going to be missed when watching that box. Good news is most of the viewing on that box will be recorded shows so it's not the end of the world.
     
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    The vast majority of folks still don't have MRV, and many never will. Asking a company to spend a LOT of money to add hardware to receivers that won't be paid for by customers and won't be of significant value to *most* customers is an exercise in futility.

    DirecTV could have easily designed their DVRs to have 2 output processors to allow PiP, but they don't, because most people wouldn't use it and it would cost a lot of extra money. A tiny percentage of people would *really* like to have PiP, but a company like DirecTV has to base their spending on what the majority wants (and will pay for).
     
  8. Sep 5, 2010 #8 of 34
    RunnerFL

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    Simply stated... The H's are meant to be receivers only. If you want to be able to pause or rewind live TV you must get an HR.
     
  9. Sep 5, 2010 #9 of 34
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    Thanks guys. That makes sense.

    I realize now that I am probably speaking about the minority rather than the majority. I agree, it doesn't make sense to have features on a box that a limited number of subs would take advantage of.
     
  10. harsh

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    The address space of the chip isn't big enough to support that much RAM.
     
  11. TheRatPatrol

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    Since its the same price per month to lease, you could get 3 DVR's and then be able to record 6 things at once. ;)
     
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    Great, just what I need. The ability to have my wife record up to 300 hours of programming over 6 lines. Raising the white flag :)
     
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    Are you using MRV? If you are then when you start watching something you can tell your H to record it to a DVR. Then you can go to list and watch it from there with all of the trick play capabilities, pause, etc.
     
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    Correct, MRV when the install happens in a couple weeks.

    Thanks for the tip! I'll inform the wife as well. Since we will now have 2 HD DVR's as well in the system we will have plenty of room to record "live" shows to get those features on the H box.

    Learn something new here every day.
     
  15. Mike Bertelson

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    Sooner or later it will have to happen in a stand alone receiver. What good is having a whole home system with a central HMC30 if you can't pause live TV with the receivers?

    I believe it's coming.

    Mike
     
  16. bobnielsen

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    Supposedly the HMC30 has the tuners used by the client boxes. Thus it will provide the buffering.
     
  17. P Smith

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    Well, that's is insane ... have you seen eMMC interface ? or heard about NAND memory ? or use iPhone with 32 GB memory ?
    There is no problem to install 32/64/128 GB [NAND] memory inside of Hxx receiver.
    But DTV will not pay for it, so say goodbye to the idea.
     
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    Well, if they did pay for it, they'd have to charge as much for receivers as for DVRs. How well do you think that would go over with customers?
     
  19. P Smith

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    When the NAND chips will cheap, say a cent per GB ... we will see.
     
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    A viable solution would be to allow a customer to plug in, say a 16GB Flash drive in the USB port to use for live buffering...
     

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