Trying YouTube TV

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  1. 1948GG

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    More stunning screwups by the Bamtech team trying to add the epic channels for the month free view. Completely messed up my custom live grid on all three profiles, I don't know how long it will take to get things back to the way I had them.

    This is the first major strike to move to hulu live. These people all need to go back to programming kindergarten.
     
  2. mjwagner

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    I added all the Epix channels to my custom live guide with no problems at all. Sorry that you are experiencing issues but it doesn't seem like the problem is universal.
     
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  3. lparsons21

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    His problems are far from universal! I’ve read in lots of places about YTTV’s service and app performance and can find almost nothing listing his list of woes. Gotta wonder why.

    Overall it works well, no problem free, but that is pretty much a universal thing that can be said about any streaming service. And if he thinks Hulu+Live is going to be better, well based on lots of reading about it, he’s in for a surprise and not a pleasant one.

    If I were unhappy with YTTV I would switch to Sling with a bunch of their add-ons, sub to Hulu ad-free and CBS:AA ad free. I’ve had that exact setup and found it to be very good. Switched to YTTV because of Family Share.
     
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  4. B. Shoe

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    I hate to see you having so much trouble with the service, but I still can't replicate anything of the major issues you've brought up. Do you have any screenshots of what happened in your custom grid?
     
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  5. 1948GG

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    So the couple of hours spent getting things back in order were wasted, as yesterday the programmers tried to fix their mistakes and yet again things got out of wack and needed to be refixed. Yes, less messed up than the first 'try' (although who knows at this point) so it only took 30 minutes to reset my four rokus. Seems to be holding at this point.

    For those who say 'my appletv/firetv/android box' works perfectly, remember that roku is 55% of the streaming hardware market, has way more apps than any box out there(not just the 'major' streamers) but a boatload of 'thin' apps from small tv and radio stations and the like. There is a reason why the market (the folks buying the things) has spoke, re: 55% of the market. Now firetv points to huge sales in foreign markets like India, probably due to massive ad campaigns and maybe providing the local streamers tech support to get up and running on their platform (press reports say so, but if so I'd say smart move on their part). But here in the US? Not so much.

    Now if one of these folks would figure out a way to combine channels from multiple apps (there are ways to do that on Android and maybe ios). That would be a game changer.

    As far as Bamtech, I have read reports that they check their programming ONLY with Appletv boxes, and no other. If I had such and could verify those reports (some if them going back years), then it would start to make some 'sense'. Maybe.
     
  6. lparsons21

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    Your problems don’t show up on my Roku Premier either.
     
  7. espaeth

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    What device are you using to edit the custom guide?

    There are some known problems with ad blocker plugins or DNS solutions like Pi-hole that use a couple different blacklist options (Steven's Black, I think?). It blocks the API calls needed to set some of the values in settings, and also interfered with some of the playback controls. (it has some of the Youtube API URLs misclassified as advertising URLs)

    For what it's worth, I can't replicate any of these issues on my RokuTV. I added the Epix channels and set the order using the iPad app, and it shows up the same on the LG WebOS app, the Apple TV app, and the TCL Roku TV we have in a spare room.
     
  8. billsharpe

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    I haven't noticed any problems at all streaming with my TCL Roku TV set or with AppleTV. I've been using the AppleTV remote for several years and find it works well enough.
     
  9. b4pjoe

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    I've notice the Youtube free trial has been cut to 3 days from its usual 7 day free trial.When did that start?
     
  10. 1948GG

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    Still major programming errors that dog yttv. Lip-sync problems with dvr programs are still at the 75+% of times when started; it has changed somewhat in that a fair percentage of time the sync gap is minimal (100-500ms) instead of in the 1-2 second range. Still requires pushing the back button to 'shove' the stream into sync.

    Another nasty glitch is joining a dvr program 'in progress'; one should get a 'join live' or 'resume from last watch' or 'start from beginning' prompt, but more often then not you get nothing, and you join live. Unacceptable.

    Again, these programming errors show that no review in being done either by the front line programmers or their supervisors. Reminds me of the lack of review that doomed psvue in its last year of operation, by the same company that is contracted by yttv. If you outsource technical services to a third party company and don't watch them like a hawk, you will reap the whirlwind.
     
  11. Apr 1, 2020 #251 of 264
    espaeth

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    There shouldn't be any of the same people-related programming problems, because it's completely different people.

    BAMTech is now Disney Streaming Services, and they're running the platform for Hulu now. Bob Iger On Disney’s Hulu Roll-Up And Streaming Mission: “We’re Prepared To Pivot In A New Direction” – Deadline

    YoutubeTV is all Youtube employees and internal development (all apps are code signed by GoogleLLC).
     
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  12. Apr 1, 2020 #252 of 264
    1948GG

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    Total corporate bs.

    Now how can I come to that conclusion? Because this company continues to market itself as Bamtech in Europe, where the Disney name has nowhere near the cache that it does in the US, in fact its public perception is somewhere in the low range as Comcast is in the US.

    Did they fire all the programmers and managers that worked on psvue? Doubtful. With all the continuing problems with yttv have they cleaned house yet? No. Why no problems at hulu, that they also are contracted to run? Different division. It's like coming to the conclusion that Buick is making lousy cars but Chevy is great. Where they may run into problems is if the same alternate divisions is making the same engine or transmission and sharing that between divisions. Same thing here if persons are allowed to switch between divisions and the management falls down watching them.

    But don't think hulu is immune. Their stored program service had some rough times a few years back, and they demanded Bamtech 'clean shop' or get fired. They did, and it has run smooth ever since.
     
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    b4pjoe

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    No offense intended but it seems it is only you having all of these "issues". How can you explain that?
     
  14. Apr 1, 2020 #254 of 264
    espaeth

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    There has never been a partnership or business relationship between BAMTech (by any of their names from MLB Advanced Media to Disney Streaming Services) and Google/Youtube.

    BAMTech hadn't been involved in Hulu until Disney took ownership in 2019. Prior to that, Hulu had shared ownership between NBC/Universal, Disney, FOX, and Time Warner. Hulu development has historically all been done in-house - they've given a number of presentations at AWS re:Invent conferences (ie: Hulu Case Study ) and publishing a number of opensource projects. Hulu

    How Disney Gained Full Control of Hulu—and What That Means

    If you're seeing the same problems across these completely independent companies, that probably means it's something more related to your local configuration. These companies use completely different developers, use different content processing solutions, operate out of completely different Content Delivery Networks, etc.
     
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  15. Apr 8, 2020 #255 of 264
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    Add me as a YTTV subscriber that can honestly say that I can count on one hand, the number of times in the past 11 months where we have had anything buffer, drop a stream or otherwise fail to perform, period. If we were still with D*, I would have lost our signal due to rain/snow fade more times and for much longer duration's than we have had by a rare second or two of buffering on any of the services or apps we use, and which has occurred long before the likes of Hulu, YTTV, etc. came along. If that wasn't the case, trust me, the wife would have revolted long ago.

    We regularly use YTTV (when PSV closed up), Philo, Disney+, CBS AA, Starz, YT, Netflix, Prime Video, HBO GO, Movies Anywhere, VUDU and dozens of TVE apps and they all perform just fine whether we are using our Comcast 200/10 Blast connection at home or a lowly 20MB Centurylink DSL connection at our seasonal RV site.

    Honestly, I would have had by far, more instances of signal loss due to numerous reasons if we had stayed with D* than what we have seen since going OTT. I don't want to discount anyone's issues as being insignificant, but if I were having that many issues, I would be taking a much closer look at my own network, streaming devices, ISP, etc. than just categorically blaming a particular streaming service for my woes. But that's just me.
     
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  16. Apr 9, 2020 #256 of 264
    Powruser

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    Just started with YouTube tv thru the app on my LG smart TV. Problem is, everything is playing at 60fps, even movies that should be at 24 fps. It looks smoothed out and terrible. Any ideas?
     
  17. Apr 9, 2020 #257 of 264
    espaeth

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    Trumotion is set per input, so even if you disabled it for one of the HDMI ports that you normally used the apps will turn it back on. For my 2017 LG OLED TV, every app gets treated as its own input, so you have to adjust display settings for each app.

    I believe these are the adjustments you want to make: How to turn off the soap-opera effect on your LG TV - LG TV Settings Guide: What to Enable, Disable and Tweak | Tom's Guide
     
  18. Apr 9, 2020 #258 of 264
    Powruser

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    That sir was exactly the issue, thank you.

    I had previously disable trumotion, but like you said my LG TV does treat each app as an input.

    Thanks again
     
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    1948GG

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    Although over the past half year since the demise of psvue, yttv has performed fairly well, with aforementioned glitches (particularly with the dvr system) continuing throughout with roku boxes. However, the recent rollout by roku of firmware 9.3.0 has been an almost unmitigated disaster, both for yttv and youtube. Stalls, disconnects, skips, you name it, have been the order of the day. One would think that the stored streaming on youtube would be immune but no. All this while the other streaming majors (nf, hulu, prime, disney, and many others) have been unaffected (so far) all the while yttv has been almost unusable at times, stalling on every channel change to the point the only way to regain control is exiting the app, restarting, and then hoping that things will respond after the restart (half the time it simply stalls again trying to load a live or dvr selection). Durin the day, it sometimes gets better, the gets worse. I believe I've tracked it down to the hdmi link 'winking' and the roku box disconnecting and entering an unrecoverable stall where it requires exiting the app to recover. Other streaming apps (nf et al) do this all the time but rarely to the extent that the app becomes unresponsive. What's interesting is that both youtube apps are affected (yttv and youtube) so there must be some programming core in both those apps that the new 9.3.0 doesn't like.

    All this has been reported to roku, but no cure has yet been forthcoming. Folks who have been able to roll back to 9.2.0 report that all the nonsense goes away. Unfortunately, on my units that have been updated, I've been unable to do so.
     
  20. May 9, 2020 #260 of 264
    mjwagner

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    Yikes...! Thankfully no issues here on my ATV 4Ks or any of my Android based streaming devices (Nvidia Shields or FireTV devices of various types).
     
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