Trying YouTube TV

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  1. Jan 6, 2020 #161 of 264
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    Anyhow, yes, GoT is an event, and it's a big event that lots of people watch. The kind of event that fits the MVPD model well. But the entire GoT series is somewhere around 100 hours of events over 8 years. Not only that, but it was actually carried as part of a traditional MVPD programming.

    There is a limit to the number of channels that can be created and carried, but that's not the real problem. Well, it kind of is, because not long ago, DirecTV struggled to have 10 channels free for Sunday Ticket. Now, they can probably add 30-50 single event channels at any time. But, the bigger problem is getting channels interested in the rights to the events, then getting the rights to the channels.

    How many people do you think watched Millwall v. Newport County in the FA Cup this weekend? It streamed on ESPN+. In fact, this past weekend, ESPN+ streamed all 32 FA Cup games, about 64 hours. Oh, and ESPN+ also streamed the Italian Serie A, a number of college basketball games, along with a number of other sporting events. These are all events, and they never could all be shown on a traditional MVPD.


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  2. Jan 6, 2020 #162 of 264
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    This thread isn't about the limitations of DIRECTV. This thread is about YouTube TV.

    The question asked was why people need live TV. There is a lot of event based TV (not all of it being live sports) where a live linear channel is the best way to distribute the program. An easy choice for sports since most games are events. But creating an event remains a part of the TV landscape.

    BTW: Both streamers and DIRECTV are affected by bandwidth. DIRECTV has to choose how many channels they can support based on their available bandwidth. Creating a channel for a low popularity feed is a tough choice. Streamers have to figure out how to serve many customers over their CDN service - each customer consuming bandwidth. It doesn't matter if a million people are watching one feed and one person is watching each of a million feeds to a streamer. They are hosting two million streams. For DIRECTV, they want the two million watching the streams they can fit on their service.

    One person watching each of a million feeds (whether stored On Demand or live channels) is a major benefit of streaming. Being able to reach a million people with one stream is a major benefit of broadcast/satellite like DIRECTV.
     
  3. Jan 7, 2020 #163 of 264
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    The main problem with the guide is not showing program info. What's the purpose of a guide if it doesn't guide you. You have to click 5-8 clicks to get to program info. And there's no "new" or dates. I think YouTube is pushing search rather than scroll to find. Takes some getting used to. I love it, wife hates it. So we have Dish and YTTV. . Mainly got YT for daughter sharing.
     
  4. Jan 7, 2020 #164 of 264
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    They do need to fix the issue with the current live program in the guide. They need to provide a way to easily get program details without tuning to it. However, if you click to the right of the current live program and just click on any upcoming program in the guide you do get a synopsis of the program. They need to allow something similar with the current live program column.
     
  5. Jan 7, 2020 #165 of 264
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    How do you know how to do all of these things? Like customizing channels, Attanging channels, deleting channels.
     
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    Here's the problem with that... An article from 2 years ago says You Tube streamed over 1.25 billion hours of TV per day.

    DirecTV has about 17 million customers. To match that figure, each DirecTV customer (household) would need to watch almost 100 hours of TV per day.

    Heck, Netflix is somewhere around 100 million hours per day. That's probably about 25-50 percent of the amount of DirecTV watched per day.

    We Spend A Billion Hours A Day On YouTube, More Than Netflix And Facebook Video Combined


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    You can customize the guide in the Apple iPhone app or using a web browser. On the iPhone, go into settings-> live guide and from there, check/uncheck channels, and drag and drop in order.




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  8. Jan 7, 2020 #168 of 264
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    1.25 billion hours of content. What is the problem? You are illustrating my point. YouTube can stream millions of different content to various viewers. DIRECTV is limited to a few thousand channels but there is no limit to how many viewers can watch simultaneously.
     
  9. Jan 7, 2020 #169 of 264
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    Yes, much easier to manipulate the custom guide in the app. Settings/live guide. Put in any order and only show what you want to see.

    Even the info on future programs clicking on them is not adequate. Should have at least a "new" and date first aired. S3 E11, is not enough.
     

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  10. Jan 7, 2020 #170 of 264
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    No, not content. 1.25 billion hours of actual screen time. That's the number of hours watched each day.

    Your point has been that You Tube doesn't have the capacity to delivery independent streams to customers to match DirecTV's ability to broadcast to their customers. My point is that You Tube is currently delivering more hours of actual video images to screens than DirecTV.

    The TVs in each DirecTV customer's house would have to be on almost 100 hours per day to match the number of hours of video You Tube streams every day.


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  11. Jan 7, 2020 #171 of 264
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    You can’t customize the guide (add, delete, or rearrange channels) using any streaming device AFAIK. You need to use the app on a phone or tablet or use a browser or app on a PC (might work on a MAC too, IDK as I don’t use MACs).
     
  12. Jan 7, 2020 #172 of 264
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    A browser can customize the guide on a Mac as well.
     
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    You are having extreme difficulty reading. That is not my point nor have I made any sort of claim. The point is that it doesn't matter if millions are watching the same content or different content. Each customer gets their own stream. As long as they have the capacity to serve all of their customers (and they do) they can serve any of their content. Including the "live" content that people get from MVPDs.

    All streamers face the capacity issue ... having a CDN that can deliver. YouTube is performing well. If that doesn't make my opinion clear I can't help you.
     
  14. Jan 7, 2020 #174 of 264
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    What's the deal with YTTV and ESPN? I record First Take and Pardon the Interuption and when they go to a commercial break instead of seeing a commercial all I get is a message on the screen for 3 minutes saying, Commercial break. We'll be right back. I have never ever seen this before.
     
  15. Jan 7, 2020 #175 of 264
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    That's where the future targeted ads will be inserted. As I understand it, they don't have enough active ad buys to populate all the times yet, so you'll often either see channel slates (like on ESPN) or sometimes nature scenes with the Youtube TV logo in the corner.

    Don't worry, those will disappear soon enough once advertisers catch up.
     
  16. Jan 7, 2020 #176 of 264
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    Seeing as how ESPN is the number one watched channel and these two shows are wildly popular, I wouldn't expect them to have a problem filling advertising
     
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    I know when we had DirecTV Now, they had a lot of open slots like that, too. DirecTV Now used a card for a show with some odd music to fill the whole. And, it's not just on ESPN that there are open slots like this.

    I'm wondering if these targeted ads are not considered effective enough to justify the cost.


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  18. Jan 8, 2020 #178 of 264
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    The least they could do is fill the space with per impression ads. If they can't sell filler ads then there is a problem.
     
  19. Jan 8, 2020 #179 of 264
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    I think it's a different marketplace than regular broadcast TV. Sling went the "sell every ad space cheap" route and you'll see quite a few complaints about the loud, repetitive PSAs that get injected into all the channels because of where it got priced in.

    Advertising is done wrong so frequently on broadcast TV that people have strong feelings about DVRs and abilities to skip ads. The more you get bombarded with catheter and drug lawsuit commercials, the more likely you are to tune it out entirely. For a corporation like Alphabet that makes its money on advertising, they are looking to refine this landscape so it's closer to the tailored targeted advertising that Facebook is doing with Instagram than the "spray and pray" approach that is a byproduct of broadcast technology. Advertising just works better if you're showing people things that are actually relevant to them. I think that's why you see them taking the least offensive approach right now with channel slates and nature scenes, so they don't precondition people to having a bad taste before their tailored ad experience gets off the ground.
     
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    Everyone seems to want to be able to bypass advertising, yet we're critiquing how there aren't ads sometimes filling an available ad space. ;)
    There's a lot of truth to this, and rest of espaeth's post. I see those graphic slates and scenery spots that fill, at times on places like ESPN, during the live broadcasts. They're only 15 or 30-second spots, tops.
     
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