Turner channels removed from Dish

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  1. tampa8

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    Wow so much to comment on, I'll take two things. First, please tell me the sports Direct TV has that DISH does not, and the sports DISH has that Direct TV does not. There is no huge difference either way. Direct TV has the NFL package but for the most part you pay extra for that, it isn't free, in fact partly why Direct TV generally costs more even if you don't get that package. As it happens DISH has college sports Direct TV does not.

    Second, a $10 savings a month, $120 a year is a decent savings. I don't know what you expect. but it's apparently unrealistic. In the equation is equipment. If DISH didn't invest money (BIG money) into equipment technology maybe there would be even a bigger savings. Even their older receivers are better than what many Cable operators are still using.

    And third (ok I lied, three things) DISH made an informed decision that Charlie actually explained at the time concerning the NY RSN's. They are the most costly, and looking at their subscriber count there, and knowing generally how many would drop DISH with no RSN's there, how many would stay, and how many they probably won't get no matter what , it was better financially to simply not carry them. And by the way, Direct TV does not carry every RSN.
     
  2. damondlt

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    Sports directv has, MLB packs, NFL st.
    The 2 most viewed sports in America.
    Just because you say , wow , doesn't mean you have anymore clue than the next guy.
    Because fact is you don't know if there has been a decline or if there hasn't been.
    $120 per year isn't enough to go without , MSG, MSG Plus , YES SNY, Missing HD premiums., And now the never ending dropped channels disputes.

    DIRECTV puts out far more money for programming than Dish, and $120 a year is the best they can do?
    Well I guess when you have to payout lawsuits on a yearly basis for millions you can't afford to give your customer a bigger discount.

    Sorry I'd rather have options than $120 per year savings.

    If you think having 50% of all providers channels disputes doesn't put a hurt on over all potential subscribers , you are blind.
     
  3. Paul Secic

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    I thought you with DirecTV..
     
  4. Orion9

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    That has never come up when I have talked to anyone about Dish.

    Anyway, since you suggested looked for TWC quotes, I googled around and found:

    And it's hardly just Dish:

    (The DirecTV quote is in the past.)


    Interestingly, as I attempted to google comments about cable/sat dropping channels, I found significantly more pages about people dropping cable/sat with cost being the number one reason. So with comments found on the internet as my metric (and yes there is a certain amount of sarcasm in that) it appears Dish is wise to control its costs.
     
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  6. harsh

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    Blockbuster (the channel) isn't a substitute for the missing Turner channels. That would be silly.
     
  7. harsh

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    DIRECTV has had quite a few more dispute-related "outages" than DISH this year. It probably comes from being on different renewal cycles.
     
  8. Orion9

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    Well that's a website from "the other side" - a bunch of local OTA broadcasters who don't think that sat/cable companies pay them enough. So while I would expect them to disagree with cable/sat companies, I wouldn't go to them for a balanced/unbiased statistics. Have you noticed for example, that it gives lots of stats about pay TV revenues without doing the same for the broadcasters? Also never mentions how much of that revenue is profit etc. I would be happy to think that Dish might be more aggressive in keeping these costs low, but I wouldn't tend to believe that if the only claim comes from that site.


    By the way, did you notice that directly below the part you quoted it says:

    In short, if the site is true, we consumers are only being exposed to the tip of the tip of the iceberg in terms of all the disputes going on.
     
  9. Orion9

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    By the way, the TVfreedom site also asserts that cable/sat companies are paying way too much to cable channels with low ratings and not enough for broadcasters which, according to that site, have much higher ratings. So it would seem that they would be on the side of Dish in this dispute.
     
  10. James Long

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    DirecTV started with over a million DBS customer lead ... and had an over 3 million customer lead in 2005.

    To assume any one reason for that lead is folly. There are a combination of reasons why people choose one provider over another.
     
  11. James Long

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    That site is not referring to cable channels such as CNN/Turner, it is referring to broadcast channels that are carried via retransmission consent laws. Guess who is paying for that website? An organization that believes paying $4-$5 per month in retransmission fees for locals is no problem for pay TV subscribers.

    OK ... now you are accusing DISH Network of lying. It would be fairly simple for CNN/Turner to put out a correction that stated that the contract has not ended. Where is it?

    The contract ended, DISH no longer has permission to carry the channels that are not being carried. The contract for TBS and TNT is separate.

    http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/21/media/turner-dish-network-dispute/
     
  12. James Long

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    Look at the profit margins and tell me that DirecTV making ~$20 per subscriber per month is giving their customers a bigger discount than DISH. :rolleyes:

    But congratulations on hitting most of the stereotypical "why DISH is bad" touchstones in your post.
     
  13. lparsons21

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    I have both now.
     
  14. inkahauts

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    At what point is it cheaper to have Netflix than a premium? And if you know someone else with HBO and you keep show and share each other's logins.... Which evidently HBO at least is fine with.... Just things I have long pondered.
     
  15. mwdxer

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    My complaint with Netflix is they only stream a small percentage of their DVD library. At getting a disc at a time, many movies and TV series are not available for streaming. I do not know why either.
     
  16. inkahauts

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    Contracts. Most contracts don't allow them for streaming, they only allow to have them rent DVDs, companies want to much money or have other contracts in place for streaming already.


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  17. KyL416

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    DVD rights and digital streaming rights are not the same, the DVD library is just a rental thing, they have to make seperate deals to get the streaming rights along with the royalties that come with it. In some cases a premium channel like HBO, Showtime or Starz or another service like Hulu, Amazon, iTunes or Vudu might have the exclusive streaming rights. If a 3rd party like Time Life or Shout Factory created the DVDs they usually don't have the digital rights so Netflix needs to deal directly with the studio or producers. Then of course you got some things where music rights come into play, especially for some TV shows.
     
  18. lparsons21

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    If it was about the movies, then the premiums have all become pretty blah. Only advantage with movies that the premiums have is that you get to see them sooner. Most will show up on Netflix and most that don't will show up on non-premium channels at some point.

    So IMO, the point of the premium is the original shows and for me, the boxing. Other than the boxing, you can sub to HBO, Starz and Max for a month and do VOD on Dish.

    So I'm down to 'do I really need or care about seeing the show earlier?', and if so, how much is that worth?


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  19. Cable Lover

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    I know I'm in the minority here, but I've watched "The Blaze" much more then I've ever watched CNN. Good riddance.
     
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