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Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by mexican-bum, Oct 21, 2014.
A minority of two. The Blaze in HD would be nice.
From the fool.com article:
Charging high rates to watch an otherwise free service using the new paradigm, while squeezing every last cent out of the old paradigm. I like it!
And here I thought it was all about more compensation for that outrageous deal they did for the NBA rights. Or maybe, that too. Might as well pile on when you've got the opportunity.
Dish and Directv will always have disputes with content providers when retransmission fees keep rising, how would you like it if your utility bills kept raising prices with no explanation? Would you quit paying and have them shut off your service? Or would you just accept it and pay without the risk of cutting you off?
that's just the name of this game unfortunately have to play, Of course you can always cancel and pay ETF if on contract unlike you're utility bills but Dish or Directv or any provider don't have that option without p---ing off customers and stockholders
So we can all easily say don't need CNN or whatever so that they could keep my bill low, but not the other several million subs think like you do, but those channels will return because neither want to lose, it's just a question of when
I watch one show on CNN and was able to see almost all of it online. No big loss for me. I can go to Fox, Al Jeezra America via Dish or CNN International and a variety of other International news networks via my Roku (Nowhere TV App) for breaking news.
I never watch the other networks involved. I would miss Conan a little if TBS were involved, but much of his shows are on his web site (and on my Roku).
As far as i am concerned, Dish can drop them all together and i would be fine. Years ago, I would have been outraged if CNN was dropped; now, its just a small inconvenience. I find myself disappointed with the constant stream of "experts" arguing and the lack of facts on Fox, CNN, and MSNBC.
I don't know how the networks can keep lowering the quality and charging more. These disputes just remind me of how I could save $75+/month.
See there we go right there not everybody have streaming devices or even have the luxury to have internet
and some might have caps they can't go over, the same goes with OTA.
Make it three for The Blaze over CNN.
Fortunately DISH has the other news channels to fall back on ... and they will have CNN again soon enough (as well as the other channels not being mentioned here).
Personally, I've been enjoying the 24 hour coverage of CNN lately, with several hours of CNN International in the overnight hours. While they certainly have "magazine" shows they focus on human interest stories generally missing from the repeated rehash of the 24 hour news cycle.
Direct TV started first and had an edge on the customer count before Dish was launched. That does help.
Thanks for the info. It sounds unless the rules change to make streaming more friendly in the future, renting a DVD is probably the best all around. I was quite surprised that the Netflix library of strreaming is so small.
It seems to me that DirecTV has maintained a constant differential of about 6 million subscribers for about a decade or so.
Back when I used to be more involved in residential installations and was more aware or subscriber levels, I was always amazed that DISH seemed to stay "even" with DirecTV in growth, because just about any cable TV subscriber I spoke to who was considering switching to satellite knew the name DirecTV, but few knew the name DISH, and a lot of people thought that DirecTV was just a generic name for small dish satellite.
For me, comparing Direct with Dish, I find in general channels, Dish has more than Direct. I am not a sports fan, so that is not an interest. TWC in KC offers more news channels than Dish, CNNI as well as BBC World. Some cable or Fibre companies may offer more than Dish, but since we only have Charter here, Dish is still the best.
I have been with Dish for many years and seen my bill increase every year sometimes 2 times a year and now with several of our family's favorite channels gone and reading the posts and seeing that Direct TV is offering a good deal to join I may just do that I am so sick of hearing Charlie from Dish saying things are too high I think people should leave Dish and go elsewhere also I think Dish should offer everyone some type of a refund on there next months bill for the channels that were lost replacing them with channels we ALL READY HAVE is stupid having the same show on 3 channels because Dish can get their S**T together is plain dumb. I also agree with some of the posts that if these places would let you pick your own channels for a monthly service fee that would be great so you are not paying for channels you don't watch but fat chance cheap Charlie from Dish would do that he living high off the hog on our dime. I hope they can work out a deal so we can get those channels back its got to be give and take on both sides but it is always the middle people consumers who get it in the end, this won't be the first and it won't be the last that Dish shafted all of us. I think it is time to take a stand against Dish !!!!!
While switching can and does make sense now and then, if you are expecting D* to be substantially different you are in for a rude awakening.
D* and E* are neither shy about raising rates and more recently, both are more willing to let contracts go to pulling stations. Same with cable.
And BTW, we are not in the middle, we are at the shi**y end of the stick!!
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Do you think the BOD at Echostar is doing without their Turner channels? Maybe or maybe not. With the money, they can afford to get them elsewhere while this dispute is going on. Money talks. But again, we have that choice to stay with any company out there. But remember as stated here several times, there is no perfect company. Direct has their issues too, as well as cable.
On the news tangent...
I would watch more Blaze and Al Jazeera America if they would pick up HD feeds of those channels. Now, during the CNN/Turner dispute would be a great time to do that and pick up new viewers too.
I know Blaze has HD content on the Web... I don't know if anyone carries them in HD. Al Jazeera is particularly frustrating because Dish runs promos ALL the time for that channel in HD... but then Dish doesn't carry the HD feed so you tune in and are disappointed the channel doesn't look as good as the promos made it seem.
I can't believe this dispute will go on too long because it has to be hurting Turner more than Dish. I've missed a couple of things off Cartoon Network, but not much else... and even though I watch CNN sometimes, I have lots of options to get news on TV and the Internet so it's not the game-changer it might have been say 10+ years ago.
I am with Directv and it is good for me but if you jump from Dish you may find the same channels droped when there contract is up. To me it just makes no sense to jump just a over a temporary channel dispute.
Pretty much anyone that switches due to a dispute is just telling the company that owns the channel that it's ok to raise the bill.
You specfically name DirecTV and Dish, but of course ALL television channel carriers suffer from these disputes. TWC, Comcast, U-Verse, FIOS, Charter, etc, etc.... But it is getting ridiculous. 10 years ago there was no such thing as a blackout as a result from a dispute, they just always managed to get a deal done at the 11th hour. In recent years however we have had a large number of blackouts because of disputes. Viacom is currently blacked out on Suddenlink, and was gone for like 5 weeks from DirecTV in 2012 before they finally made a deal, and I think DirecTV probably got the better deal there, because Viacom could not afford to keep telling their advertisers that the loss of 20 million potential customers was only temporary.
But it is getting ridiculous. Here in the Los Angeles market, I cancelled DirecTV earlier this year after DirecTV announced that they would raise my rates by $5 AGAIN, after just raising them $5 in 2013 too. The cause of the $5 raise can be directly atributed in DirecTV making a deal with TWC Sportsnet for the NBA Lakers, which ended up costing them close to $4 a subscriber. DirecTV and all other carriers have not yet made a deal for the TWC Sportsnet channel that carries the Dodgers, which is another $4 per subscriber.
These deals from Turner don't add up to THAT much, and I don;t know how much Turner is charging for these channels, but all disputes start to add up. And in the end, we the consumers are footing the bill.
I used to be a DirecTV subscriber, and really big on HD channel additions, always posting on this forum about DirecTV tech stuff, etc, etc.... but repeated $5 bill increases every year for 4 years really had me thinking twice about why I still had the service. Me and my wife decided that what was offered in programming on a paid television service, simply wasn't worth it anymore. I removed the dish from its mounting pole on the roof, and replaced it with an outdoor aerial antenna I bought for $40 at home depot. I used the exact same cable, and plugged the cable into my 2 televisions and into my media server where I can record television channels, and changed over to free OTA type television.
I get about 15 HD channels, 60 SD channels (it counts up to 132 channels, but a portion of that are doubles from HD). Of that there are about 12 HD channels in English, and 30 or so SD channels in English, the rest being Spanish, Vietnamese, Korean, Tagalog, and various other languages. I receive all the major networks in full HD: ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CW, MyNetworkTV, ION, PBS, and added to that are several locals in HD, such as KCAL9, KDOC, and a few others. And there are a whole range of sub channels with classic TV shows.
The rest? Netflix and Amazon Prime. Especially Amazon Prime seems to add more recent TV shows at an alarming pace, a show I follow called "under the dome" is only about 3 weeks behind broadcast.
Anyways, to make a long story short.... it is these kinds of disputes that make me happy that I cancelled subscription TV altogether. It's not for everyone, but I am not a person that needs to turn on the TV every morning before work, and turn it on within half an hour of coming home from work.... It requires a little bit of a different mindset, instead of "Lets see what's on (the DVR) tonight" you have to change your mindset to "what do you want to watch tonight", and you will have to give it some thought. It's often a lot easier to just let the DVR determine what you watch, as I will need to think about when series seasons renew, and check to see when those seasons finally appear on a streaming service. I am at least 6 months to a year behind on many TV series, but we don't mind.... it's not like we go to work the next morning and really talk about "who shot JR" anymore, TV has become a lot more fluid with the DVR, and I believe that complete, full on-demand is the next step in television.
The only kicker? Sports. Sports is hard-coded to subscription television with expensive broadcast contracts, and there is no way to get live sports through a streaming service. Okay, that is actually not true, as there are MLB and NHL streaming packages, but they are designed in such a way they do not allow the LOCAL team (on your billing zipcode) to be streamed. So in the end, the decission came down to saving $1,000 a year in costs (I had a $115 DirecTV bill, and went down to less then $25 a month for several streaming services) and keeping my local sports teams.
Well, the $1,000 won. Now if I want to watch a Ducks game (the only team I really miss) I will have to either go to the game myself (stadium is 10 minutes away) or go to a local sports bar and have a pint. (Or, find an illegal stream which is very easy to do, but low quality). I just accepted that for what it is, but not everyone is prepared to let go of their local sports teams. If you are a Football fan, you still can get a large portion of games through OTA stations, but I am not.
Anyways, going on for way too long.... I am siding with Dish (and any carrier) in these kinds of disputes, but in the end, I simply grew sick and tired that we get to pay the bill. So I cut the service, and am pretty happy that I did.
Those are not sports DISH does not have, they packages of those sports. That is a very important distinction. I watch every Red Sox game all year on DISH, I watch every Patriots game on DISH. As for NFL Sunday ticket, NO ONE ELSE HAS
IT, in case you didn't notice. In the case of MLB, their package is actually way better to get from them directly online, for use anywhere, with a Roku, computer, tablet, etc... and with many advanced features. So having DISH has NO impact on me getting that package.
As for the NY RSN's, DUH - if they are important to someone of course you wouldn't get DISH, the fact however is there are plenty of subscribers in NY who don't care, again those that do have already left DISH, and none of the other millions of subscribers can get the pro sports teams on those RSN's so no one else cares.
Your assertion that DISH has a fraction of the sports is ludicrous, and btw as I said they have some college sports Direct does not.
Really, isn't the bottom line here "how much is my bill going to increase?"
One poster speculated 2$ a month? [ that seems high]
MGM HD is OK, but the commercials suck [ TCM had none, one of my go to stations when all the constant commercials get to me] I've come to like epix drive in for this reason, lol.
If this drags on longer than a week, how about offering blockbuster in it's place? Dish could credit current subs to blockbuster until this resolves. How many stations does this affect, 6 or 7?
It would be a good faith gesture from Dish.