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Two TVs from 1 Hopper

Discussion in 'Hopper System Support Forum' started by Oilspot, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. fmcomputer

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    I use the RCA composite from a Joey to another TV.
     
  2. Oilspot

    Oilspot Cool Member

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    I should have new cables tomorrow. I'm hoping it might have been an issue with the cables, as I had two set coupled together. It worked four at least a year or more with the 722, but I'm willing to try anything. I'll post an update after a day or two wit new cables.
     
  3. scaesare

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    I just ran in to a related issue with this last night.

    I have my Hopper driving my projector via HDMI. I also use the composite out to a small secondary monitor that I use for administration (setting timers, checking the guide, etc...) so I don't have to fire up the projector for just 5 minutes. I did this all the time on my 722.

    Last night I was setting timers from the guide, and one refused to set. I got a message stating that my display was not HDCP (the content protection encryption HDMI uses), and thus the DVR would not record the event.

    Because my projector was not on, the Hopper had not detected an HDCP display. For a unit that has multiple output options, this seems like the wrong thing to do. The system should check during PLAYBACK, instead.

    I suspect the same would happen with the component outputs, which also do not support HDCP.

    -sc
     
  4. LtMunst

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    I am using component on my Hopper w/sling. I have never seen this message.
     
  5. Jhon69

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    My problem is I can see the difference between a Component hookup to my HDTVs compared to a HDMI hookup,so the $7. charge to me is worth $7. extra a month.;)
     
  6. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Most likely, it's your TV to blame.
     
  7. bobukcat

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    Yeah, no reason the HMDI output should look any better than the the component. I've used both outputs from two 622s for years and now I'm using both on 2 Hoppers. Both of them send the HDMI to a distant TV via HDMI or Cat5 adapters and the only problem I've ever had is not being able to watch an HDCP flagged program on the component connection without having the HDMI connected TV on.

    One of the techs that came out to install the Hoppers did tell me that using both outputs degraded the signal because it split it. I ignored this because he clearly doesn't understand that it's completely separate hardware driving those two outputs.

    To the O.P.: have you made sure you disabled all HDMI control options on the TV the Hopper is connected to and have you tried what others have suggested such as turning on the HDMI TV first to see if it has any impact on the Component outputs? I have to think it's something related to the HDMI handshake or control signals causing this.
     
  8. P Smith

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    If will buy cheap HDCP compatible two way HDMI splitter (eBay has many of them), you'll have second TV HDMI connection and the H or 622 will be happy regardless is one or two on none TV turned ON. I did.
     
  9. Oilspot

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    My secondary TV is small, so I don't think I would notice. But I could be possible on a very large format, since component is limited to 1080i and HDMI can go to 1080p. But there are still only a few 1080p programs...
     
  10. Oilspot

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    This may be the next thing I try if the new component cables don't work. Thanks for the suggestion. Earlier reports on HDMI splitters we mixed.
     
  11. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    that would depend on chips in DVR and in TV ... to make such conclusion you must know both system very deep; adding: 1080p24 is providing by VOD, not by regular channels
     
  12. RasputinAXP

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    My Vizio and my Westinghouse both accept and display 1080p over component, though it's undocumented. I can set the Xbox 360 to 1080p over component though, and get it.
     
  13. scaesare

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    I only saw it for one movie I attempted to record. I assumed it was because the flag requiring encryption was set for that event.

    I know that playback devices such as BluRay can refuse to play back (at least at full res) to displays that don't support HDCP... so I assume that the DVR's can as well...

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  14. bobukcat

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    I have several movies that I recorded off of either Showtime or HBO during free previews that will only play when I have the HMDI connected TV on. If not it gives me the error message that my display isn't HDCP compatible, etc.
     
  15. Oilspot

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    Okay, today was first morning with successful use of component cables, after an overnight. Could it be success? Maybe it was the other component cables? I'll post another update after a few more days...

    I really appreciate all the support from fellow members. Thank you.

    I'm no expert for sure! The reason I posted about the 1080i on component is because that is what my TV said the source was, and a few cable articles said something similar. The HDMI TV says 1080p, so henceforth assumed article was reliable. Either way I'm happy with result. Just hope I don't get the error everyone is starting to discuss...
     
  16. scaesare

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    Ah, ok... so it sounds like programming with the HDCP flag set isn't uncommon.

    I'd recommend that Dish implement a change so that the behavior is confined to what you experience: restrict content on PLAYBACK only. Restricting recording doesn't provide any additional protection value, and only makes life difficult for people who might use different displays at different times.

    Thanks.

    -sc
     
  17. RasputinAXP

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    That's because broadcast TV is only 1080i at its highest.
     
  18. P Smith

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    I'm using this one; working fine for H2k and pretty cheap ;)
     
  19. Oilspot

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    Yeah, I mentioned that earlier and got nailed for it. What I was trying to say in my last post was the vizio TVs I have will identify the component input as 1080i on start up, and the HDMI from the same program as 1080p. I understand the component is an analog signal and the HDMI I'd digital, and both cables just transmit signals from one place to another...
     
  20. lonerwulf

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    Is 7 dollars more for a Joey gonna real kill you??
     

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