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Discussion in 'The OT' started by fluffybear, Dec 22, 2011.
Our contracted rural delivery people just year fairly nice clothes...
This is no different than private employers where a jerk complains about something that everybody else loves. Don't blame the USPS, blame the jerk employee that complained.
Trust me, my Jewish wife would NEVER complain about a Santa Letter Carrier. To be honest, she loves the yearly Santa visit from the local fire department. I don't think this has anything to do with religion - I'm betting it was a good old jerk being a jerk.
He/She was probably the kid that reminded teacher that they forgot to assign homework.
Did you give him a xmas bonus?
I'm OK with the Santa suit. And the bunny suit. And the zombie suit and the Indian delivering mail on Thanksgiving. I don't like rats. And I don't mean the animals. You all know who you are, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
I hope you meant Her, unless Nick is batting for the other team. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
I don't care if my carrier is dressed as Lil' Bo Peep as long as I get my mail/package.
While I would not consider where I live "rural", it is not in any city limits. Until about a year ago my postal carrier used his own right-hand drive Jeep Cherokee. Then the local management decided that he had to start driving one of their postal vehicles. He was not happy as we have hills are around here and he says it doesn't have enough power to pull a dog out of bed. He still does not wear a postal uniform.
All it could have taken was someone wearing a sports hat or something and asked to remove it. Then that person says something like "I can't wear a hat but so and so can dress up like santa." and it's considered a complaint.
If this were a private sector job I would understand them being more upset, but this a federal job with a large amount of security issues that could arise if they allows people to dress however they wanted. Mail theft during the holidays is huge because of people mailing gift cards or checks due to presents. If this became a common thing thefts would rise because of people not being able to see clearly that it was a postal employee who was in their mail box.
I understand the intent however there are just situations where one needs to identify that there are things setup for a very good reason and it's not about coming down on someone.
If this story had been about a leprechaun people wouldn't have the same feelings as they do for Santa.
What? It's now discriminate against leprechauns???
But none of those are federal religious holidays. Christmas is. In fact, it's the only one. Christmas has a spirit and meaning that reaches far beyond any other holiday's, and its meaning, even its secular aspects, all stems from its one, true reason of existence.
Religion should have no bearing on the discussion, or the holiday, or the outfit worn.
Religion has very little to do with Santa... And with that, let's not turn this into a religious discussion. It is essentially about uniform code vs special exceptions for holiday attire... No more and no less.
Here in Peachtree City, Santa rides on a firetruck for 3 weekends in December with Santa visiting each and every neighborhood once and giving away candy and collecting canned food and toys. People from all backgrounds and religions will line the streets when they hear the siren approaching their neighborhood just to see wave to Santa. The only time I have ever heard about anyone getting upset was in 2008 when the city said they didn't have the money for Santa Run.
This is a city sanctioned event using city resources and & money and people don't seem to mind (me included). This carrier spent their own money, completed their assignment, and brought a little happiness to his route, why should it bother me?
As been said in this thread by others, As long as I get my mail/packages, I could care less if he is dressed in an official USPS uniform or dressed as 'little bo peep'. Maybe this guy should consider dressing up as Uncle Sam when he delivers tax refunds.
Au contraire, it has everything to do with Christmas. Even the secular aspect of Christmas all comes from and exists because of the religious aspect of Christmas. It is the only religious holiday that is a federal holiday. It is the basic foundation of and for Christmas, regardless of whether any of us is religious or not. I submit that if the postal carrier was wearing a specific outfit or costume to commemorate Independence Day or Valentine's Day or other holiday not tied to religion that a person would not have complained.
How more wrong you could not be. Do you recall who Santa is? Santa Claus is a legitimate variation of the name Saint Nicholas. In fact, Santa Claus is often referred to as St. Nick and vice versa.
Look, I am not trying to promote a specific religion or turn this into a religious thread. Instead, I am trying to point out the significance of Christmas as a holiday (the very word "holiday" means "holy day"), a unique holiday, a holiday not like any other, but alongside this, a religious holiday, and the only religious day of the year formally recognized as a federal holiday. If this wasn't the case, I'd bet the farm--OK, the north pole--that no one would have complained.
Thanks for proving my point. St. Nick didn't come from Santa Claus; rather, Santa Claus came from St. Nick.
Remember the tradition of hanging stockings by the fireplace? Well, on St. Nicholas Day, kids did this with the expectation that when they awoke the morning of the 6th, their stockings will have been filled by St. Nicholas.
I'm willing to bet that the USPS employee who complained did not fully realize the religious significance of Santa Claus--Stewart's opinion notwithstanding; yet he/she still complained, most likely because he/she perceived Santa as a representation of a religious holiday, and nowadays, too many people get bent out of shape if one even dares to say, "Merry Christmas."
Like it or not, Christmas is the single, most impactful holiday in the U.S. Unlike Independence Day, which I believe is more important for this country as a nation, Christmas's effects are more powerful and run far deeper. There is just something about Christmas that cannot be totally explained.
And some people simply cannot accept this. The USPS complainer is probably one of these.
This is not about religion... Nothing in the article says anyone complained about Christmas or religious beliefs or practices.
I am an atheist, but I could dress in a Santa suit for kids and for me it would have nothing to do with religion.
Whether or not Christians incorporate Santa or St Nickolas into their holiday is still irrelevant to the issue in this thread.
There is no attack on Christmas or religion at stake here... But rather a postal worker technically violating the uniform code and whether or not any exception could/should be made for a Santa suit vs some other costume. We don't know who complained or the motivation behind it... So speculation about the religious nature of the holiday is not topical at this point.
It has no bearing on this discussion, which is a Federal employee broke regulations to wear non-approved attire while performing Federal dutites.
Bottom line is he's a federal employee doing a federal job which has a policy about uniform. Regardless of intent there was a policy violation and because people chose to ignore it for 10 years it's now an issue.
Our opinions don't matter as this is requirement by employer to employee and the employee has chosen to violate it. Now he is no longer able to violate it and I bet that the post master who said he didn't have a problem with it got a talking to as well for allowing the negative press and situation to continue.