Uh, OK, why do we have Daylight Savings Time?

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  1. Mar 13, 2015 #81 of 144
    AntAltMike

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    You beat me by four minutes.

    There is a traffic circle just north of Boston that has one exit for state routes 128S/129N and on the other side for 128N/129S that always blew my mind.

    With state routes, I think that whether they are designated North/South or East/West is determined by their endpoints.

    I'll have to check on this, probably later today, but when I first moved to the Washington, DC area twenty years ago, stretches of the interstate "Beltway" I-495 would go from being North/South to being East West depending on the polar or azimuth orientation of the highway between successive ramps. They renumbered the highway exits more than a decade ago, but by that time I knew my way around so I've never looked for current North/South or East/West designations on the new signage.
     
  2. Mar 13, 2015 #82 of 144
    Laxguy

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    We have the same phenomenon in the SF Bay Area, only one is traveling N or S—actual compass reading— on E-W Interstates, where "on" one you're "going" West, and the other you're "going" East....
     
  3. Mar 13, 2015 #83 of 144
    Stewart Vernon

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    Yeah, it can be weird... Nobody ever explained it to me as a kid, but at some point I logically deduced that the roads must be named by their general direction north/south or east/west... but at any given moment a stretch could be running in a different direction.

    The worst signs used to be around here for the beltline loops... where you'd have I-40 east/west and that was fine... but I-440 was the beltline around it... and that might be north/south/east/west in counter-intuitive ways that made it tough at some cross-sections to decide which direction you actually wanted to enter the loop. Once you got there it was obvious... but you might already have missed your exit lane... also it didn't help that sometimes you had to get off on an exit going south to get onto the north-bound road and you ended up doing a loop around everything as part of the exit.

    Also, every once in a while instead of separate north/south exits... they would have one exit for both... and then at some point that exit went north, split off for a loop to turn around going south, AND you had the option to do neither and end up back on the highway from which you originally exited!

    New drivers to the area were always confused.
     
  4. Mar 13, 2015 #84 of 144
    trh

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    From the DOT web site on the numbering system:

     
  5. Mar 13, 2015 #85 of 144
    bobnielsen

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    Maybe beltways should be labeled CW and CCW.
     
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    Nick

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    Bob, I suppose that would depend on which way one is traveling, CW or CCW,
    and on whether one is referring to a direction of rotation with reference to an
    analog clock dial or a digital clock or, possibly, a sundial, in which case would
    be dependent on whether one was in the northern or the southern hemisphere.
    :D
     
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  7. Mar 13, 2015 #87 of 144
    AntAltMike

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    Traffic reports differentiate between "inner loop" and "outer loop".
     
  8. Mar 14, 2015 #88 of 144
    James Long

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    In the DC area. In the Indianapolis area "inner loop" is in the core of the city and the 53 mile I-465 loop is referred to by legs (if needed). I-465 is fairly rectangular.
     
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    AntAltMike

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    Similarly, I used to think of Massachusetts state route 128 and Interstate 495 as inner and outer "loops", even though they can't actually loop, because the ocean gets in the way.
     
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    AntAltMike

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    I'm told that the founder of one company I worked for had died years earlier in a spectacular car crash when he was going the wrong way on I-495 in a brand new Cadillac he had bought just that day.
     
  11. Mar 14, 2015 #91 of 144
    inkahauts

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    Find me a real loop freeway here in Los Angeles :)
     
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    Laxguy

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    Wouldn't do you any good! It'd be bumper-bumper inside a week.....

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  13. Mar 14, 2015 #93 of 144
    James Long

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    Have you seen the Dr Who episode "Gridlock" (Season 3, Episode 3 of the modern series)?
    The thought of an endless traffic jam reminds me of that episode.
     
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    Stewart Vernon

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    There have been times in heavy traffic where I felt like I was living that particular Doctor Who episode!
     
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    The 405, 110, and 10 will give you a loop, but I wouldn't call it "real." So will some other combinations.
     
  16. Mar 16, 2015 #96 of 144
    Herdfan

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    Except the "inner loop" is not a loop. It is a 3-sided square with the left (west) side missing.

    What I do like even though they caught me off guard the first time are the new traffic circle exit ramps on north Keystone. They seem to work great. See the attached pic.
     

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    I knew all of the original quote, but I-270 in Maryland seems to violate this principle. It runs from I-495 (the DC Beltway) to I-70 in Frederick, MD, west of Baltimore. It only connects at one end, so it should have an odd prefix. It can't be I-370 though, since there is already one of those. That happens to be the shortest interstate, running about 3 miles, from I-270 to the Shady Grove Metro station, whereupon it turns into MD-200 (aka the Intercounty Connector, or ICC).

    When it was first built, back in the 60's, I-270 was designated as I-70S (similar to the I-35E and I-35W described above). The segment between Frederick, MD and Baltimore was similarly designated I-70N. This caused no end of confusion, I guess, as you could be traveling North on I-70S, or South on I-70N. Some time in the 70's they changed the numbering so I-70N just became I-70, and I-70S became I-270. That itself splits, with one portion connecting to the Outer Loop of the Beltway and the other connecting to the Inner Loop. I think technically they are both I-270, but traffic reporters refer to one as the "spur", although I believe there is some disagreement over which is which.
     
  18. Mar 18, 2015 #98 of 144
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    Has anybody notice that after post #43, there is nothing about DST?











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  19. Mar 18, 2015 #99 of 144
    AntAltMike

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    Nearly all the posts from #46 through #61 are about DST.
     
  20. bobnielsen

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    There can be more than one connector or bypass interstates with the same number. I-405 exists in both CA and WA.
     

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