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UPDATE 1-Fox takes aim at ESPN with national sports TV channel

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by onan38, Mar 5, 2013.

  1. Apr 6, 2013 #21 of 346

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

    Nov 16, 2005
    Wylie, Texas
    PTI is the only thing I watch on ESPN any more, and I watch it every day. Love it. It can't be copied though, because Kornheiser and Wilbon are what make the show.
  2. Apr 6, 2013 #22 of 346

    DawgLink Woof Woof Woof

    Nov 5, 2006
    Washington, DC
    I like PTI as well but it bugs me when they discuss my teams and they get into wrong. Then again, anyone doing that bugs me
  3. Apr 6, 2013 #23 of 346

    SPACEMAKER Freethinker

    Dec 11, 2007
    Mason, MI
    Leverage based on supply and demand=extortion? :lol:
  4. Jul 15, 2013 #24 of 346

    nitty316 Legend

    Aug 27, 2008

    FS1 carriage talks sticky a month out

    A month before launching its much publicized all-sports network, Fox has yet to cut carriage deals with three of the country’s four biggest distributors, raising the possibility that its August launch of Fox Sports 1 will fall short of the 90 million homes the channel is expected to have.

    DirecTV, Dish Network and Time Warner Cable — representing more than 46 million subscribers — still are negotiating to carry FS1 on Aug. 17, which is when Fox will turn its motorsports channel, Speed, into a multisport network.

    The fact that so many deals are open a month before a network launch is not unusual in the cable industry. Typically, carriage deals like FS1’s get finalized in the days leading up to or just after a channel’s launch.

    Though talks have been described as amicable for the most part, news that some big deals aren’t done runs counter to the widespread belief in the sports industry that FS1 will flip a switch next month and launch to 90 million homes. While neither Fox nor distributors would comment about the state of talks, ticklish carriage negotiations and a new FS1 rate fee are slowing the process.

    As with other sports TV deals these days, one of the main snags is over price. Distributors currently pay around 23 cents per subscriber per month for Speed, according to SNL Kagan. Sources say FS1 is being offered at 80 cents per subscriber per month at first, with increases that would push the fee to the $1.50 range over the life of a multiyear carriage deal.

    Originally, distribution executives believed they would be able to carry FS1 at the same lower rate they pay for Speed until their Speed contracts end, but sources say Fox has not made that offer to any distributor that hasn’t signed new carriage deals.

    Also complicating matters is the presence of other Fox-owned networks in the talks. For example, Fox also is converting Fox Soccer Channel into an entertainment channel called FXX and has to convince distributors to approve that change, too. Other Fox sports channels are part of the discussions, as well.

    Take Time Warner Cable, for example. The cable operator does not carry the Fox-owned regional sports network FS San Diego. Time Warner Cable’s deal with YES Network, in which Fox holds an equity stake, ends after this season. Time Warner Cable executives were in Los Angeles last week talking to Fox about all these deals, sources said.

    One of the main issues Fox is facing concerns the atmosphere around the high cost of sports rights. Several distributors recently have become emboldened by keeping sports channels off their systems. DirecTV has not reached an agreement for several regional sports networks, like CSN Houston, CSN Portland, Longhorn Network and the Pac-12 Networks. Dish Network has not cut deals with several RSNs, including YES Network and TWC SportsNet.

    But FS1 expects to be different, positioning itself as an alternative that could help distributors keep the high-priced ESPN in check. Fox executives have billed the new channel not as a launch but as a rebrand, of Speed, and the new multisport network is seen as the biggest challenge yet to ESPN.

    If FS1 launches to less than full distribution, some of the wind could be taken out of its promotional sails at the outset.

    One unanswered question is what will happen if a distributor fails to reach an agreement for FS1. Time Warner Cable, DirecTV and Dish Network have contracts that call for carriage of a Fox-produced motorsports channel. If Fox simply goes dark, it could be in violation of those deals, sources said.

    It’s not clear what Fox will provide distributors that don’t cut FS1 deals but still have contracts to carry Speed. Distributors say they’ve been told that one option is that Fox will provide a watered-down motorsports channel that would run in place of Speed, possibly even keeping the Speed name. There’s precedence for such a move: When Fox switched Fox Reality Channel into NatGeo Wild last year, it provided a several-hour loop of reality programming for the distributors that did not sign deals for NatGeo Wild.

    The increased distribution and affiliate fees are important to Fox. Its executives have said that they expect FS1 to be profitable in the next two or three years, something that can only be achieved once they work out the affiliate deals.

    Fox is counting on the strength of FS1’s schedule, which includes 5,000 hours of live-event programming a year, and FS1’s TV Everywhere components to convince distributors to cut deals.

    Fox’s president of distribution, Mike Hopkins, is leading the affiliate negotiations for the broadcaster.
  5. Jul 15, 2013 #25 of 346

    sdk009 Icon

    Jan 19, 2007
    Kihei, Maui, HI
    If D* balks at carrying this channel along with not carrying the PAC-12 Net, then it will be the absolute end of it being able to claim its the leader in sports programming and the end of me being a sub since 1996.
  6. Jul 15, 2013 #26 of 346

    Eksynyt Icon

    Feb 8, 2008
    Seriously. DirecTV is going to become a joke if they play hardball and refuse to get this channel. College sports fans (especially those of us out west) just get the shaft when it comes to DirecTV if this comes to pass.
  7. Jul 15, 2013 #27 of 346

    JoeTheDragon Hall Of Fame

    Jul 21, 2008
    One unanswered question is what will happen if a distributor fails to reach an agreement for FS1. Time Warner Cable, DirecTV and Dish Network have contracts that call for carriage of a Fox-produced motorsports channel. If Fox simply goes dark, it could be in violation of those deals, sources said.

    They could give the speed channel canada feed (fox does not have the rights to show whats planed to be on FS1 in canada)
  8. Jul 15, 2013 #28 of 346

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Well, I almost wonder if Directv won't try and leverage this to move some channels around package wise for fox, including moving maybe even fx to a slightly higher tier, as well as fxx. Heck, maybe even put fs1 in the same tier as NBCSports instead of having it in the same tier as espn. There are a lot of things to consider in how and what they may be negotiating right now. I am sure FS1 wants the same packaging as espn, so one of the questions is if they will allow other channels to end up in other tiers to get it, possibly.

    And just how robust will their tv everywhere offerings be? Will they also include all Fox stations with it, and not just the new fs1? I would not be surprised if Directv isn't going for all that, even though they just re upped their deals with fox a year or two ago in the first place. It will be a while before FS1 will cause any customer drops for any provider I think, so I believe they have time to negotiate without worry for the rest of this year for this channel.
  9. Jul 16, 2013 #29 of 346

    garn9173 Icon

    Apr 4, 2005
    I defiantely didn't see this coming. FS1 will have enough content to challenge ESPN. In addition to a large stable of college football and basketball telecasts, starting next year, most of the Fox Saturday MLB telecasts will move to FS1.
  10. Jul 16, 2013 #30 of 346

    trdrjeff Icon

    Dec 3, 2007
    Major Rate Increase Sought For FOX Sports 1

    Sports Business Daily reported yesterday that FOX Networks will ask cable and satellite providers to pay 80 cents per month per subscriber for the newly rebranded Fox Sports 1, with carriage fees climbing to $1.50 monthly over the life of multi-year contracts.

    Affiliates currently pay approximately 23 cents per month for SPEED. FOX has already inked a new deal with Comcast Cable, but major carriers Time Warner Cable, DirecTV and Dish Network have reportedly balked at the price increase.
    Fox Sports 1 – formerly known as SPEED – will televise college football and basketball, NASCAR racing, UFC mixed martial arts events and sports news programs.
  11. Jul 16, 2013 #31 of 346

    dcowboy7 Hall Of Fame

    May 22, 2008
    Pequannock, NJ
  12. Jul 17, 2013 #32 of 346

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    You know, this all works out to espn raising its rates another buck plus. Everyone would be more up in arms if that was the case, but since its a new channel people are thinking great, more competition. Well, if it doesn't cause espn rates to go down, its really not competition that helps, and this channel will not cause any programmer to lower their rates. And, it means more competition to bid higher for other sports broadcast rights, pushing our rates up even higher. This may turn out to be a bad thing more than a good one unfortunately.
  13. Jul 17, 2013 #33 of 346

    SPACEMAKER Freethinker

    Dec 11, 2007
    Mason, MI
    As hardcore NASCAR fan, not having FS1 for any length of time would be very disappointing. No, I won't switch but I will call and threaten to cancel and feign reluctance to accept a bunch of discounts.
  14. Jul 17, 2013 #34 of 346

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    As I just posted in another thread, maybe moving the new FXX to the hd extra pack and tossing its sd version out the window would compensate for the increased pricing of FS1 and equal it all out. Would be interesting to see if they;d bite on that.
  15. Jul 17, 2013 #35 of 346

    tjguitar Mentor

    Aug 23, 2006
    That seems unlikely. Fox isn't going to want FXX to be an HD only channel.
  16. Jul 18, 2013 #36 of 346

    JoeTheDragon Hall Of Fame

    Jul 21, 2008
    maybe move FXM to HD only but not FXX / FX2
  17. Jul 18, 2013 #37 of 346

    john262 AllStar

    Oct 26, 2011
    Especially since they repeat the same shows over and over again. I am a late night viewer and I noticed that they repeat the same Sports Center edition all late night and early morning. And I'm paying $5 per month for that?
  18. Jul 18, 2013 #38 of 346

    KyL416 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 10, 2005
    Tobyhanna, PA
    Very little of that $5 per month is going to SportsCenter, the bulk of it is to cover their bids for rights to NFL, MLB, NBA, NCAA and other major sporting events. Unfortunately the side effect to increased competition from NBC Sports Network, CBS Sports Network and now Fox Sports 1 means more bidding wars for rights.

    Unless there's a tied game on the west coast going past 1am, there's not much new to report after the last live edition of SportsCenter from Los Angeles, so outside of the occasional encore presentation of a game from earlier in the night they don't have anything else to air during those hours. Late night here is morning in Europe, so there's no live European soccer to air, and the rights to sporting events that are live during those hours like Rugby, Aussie Rules football and Formula One are held by other broadcasters.
  19. Jul 18, 2013 #39 of 346

    RandyOH New Member

    Aug 31, 2010
    there would be no point in producing new live sportscenters at 3 and 4 am est.
  20. Jul 22, 2013 #40 of 346

    lokar Icon

    Oct 7, 2006
    Is this new Fox Sports channel going to have the UEFA Champions League this coming season? If not, who does?

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