I have a relative. They have dish. They have a 311k and another receiver. I think they have a dish that picks up 110 and 119 but not sure if it gets anything else. They got a new Hi Definition TV, and really need to go Hi Definition. No DVR necessary, they don't want to spend the money. What do they need and how much more does Hi Definition cost than what they have now to get the same channels in Hi Definition not a higher package, if dish does it that way. Frankly I told them they need to ask for more discount or jump ship, seems way to high to have what appears to be the lowest package and two sd receivers for $80 a month. They don't even get their local RSN. But evidently they call recently and where told no discounts are available to them. Thoughts and suggestions? Including how to get to retention, because they may jump to DIRECTV if they can't get this bill lower. Its $6 more a month than the same would be with directv with their RSN and other additional channels, which surprised me.