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Upgrade Tragedy

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by jeffphelps2133, Nov 13, 2007.

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  1. jeffphelps2133

    jeffphelps2133 New Member

    Nov 13, 2007
    Apparently I am the LAST person on the planet to discover that our two DirecTV TiVo DVRs are going to be obsolete in another month. I called DirecTV, and they informed me of their delightful $299 a piece "upgrade fee" for the HR20s. Has anyone found a way to get around this? Thank you.
  2. litzdog911

    litzdog911 Well-Known Member

    Jun 23, 2004
    Mill Creek, WA
    What makes you think they'll be "obsolete"? Your DirecTV/Tivo DVRs will be supported for at least 3-4 more years.
  3. Que

    Que Icon

    Apr 15, 2006
    Is there something wrong with them? You can still use them, as far as I know they will not turn them off. If you want HD you can also use a HR10-250 (HD-Tivo) only for OTA HD. It will not work with MPEG4.
  4. JLucPicard

    JLucPicard Hall Of Fame

    Apr 27, 2004
    Obsolete in the sense of useless for receiving the MPEG4 signals, thus most of the HD content D* provides (all when they migrate the MPEG2s to MPEG4).
  5. arxaw

    arxaw Icon

    Jul 13, 2003
    Call D* and at the voice prompt, say the word "CANCEL." Politely tell them you've paid enough for equipment already and will jump ship to E* if they don't give you a better deal. However, with the shortage of fully functional DVRs (the ones with D* & OTA tuners), you may not get a very good offer. Or you may end up with DVRs with NO OTA tuners.

    [what in the hell was D* thinking when they deleted OTA?]
  6. rbean

    rbean Legend

    Jan 11, 2007
    [what in the hell was D* thinking when they deleted OTA?]

    As bad as the OTA tuner on the HR20-700 is it might as well not be there.
  7. dtremain

    dtremain AllStar

    Mar 3, 2004
    I'm assuming that you have an older hi-def unit. If so, your unit will not be obsolete. It should do everything it has done. If, however, you want to get the newer hi-def channels, you will need the new unit. The newer channels require MPEG-4. Eventually, all Directv hi-def will be MPEG-4.

    If we are talking about standard def (as this forum would tend to indicate), your unit should work just fine into the forseeable future.
  8. arxaw

    arxaw Icon

    Jul 13, 2003
    rbean, I'm not exactly thrilled with the performance of the OTA tuners in the HR20-700s, compared to the excellent H20-600 tuners. But I did finally get mine to work after mucking w/ my antenna setup.

    Just curious, what tuners are you comparing it to? H20-600? HR20-100? other?
  9. woj027

    woj027 Icon

    Sep 3, 2007
    Portland, OR
    My HR20-700 OTA works good (77% reception on the CBS channel that isn't part of my locals....yet? )

    Some OTA is better than NO OTA.
  10. jwd45244

    jwd45244 Hall Of Fame

    Aug 18, 2006
    The OTA tuners in the HR20 are much more susceptible to multi-path that the H20. This is part of the reason that a station may come in fine on an H20 and not on an HR20
  11. dsm

    dsm Godfather

    Jul 11, 2004
    Or you can quickly get those listed on e-bay. I sold one a month ago for ~$175.

  12. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

    Jun 18, 2006
    You can continue to use your TiVo until at least 2010 when it will in all likelihood become obsolete. However, you won't be able to get new programming services, that's all.
  13. hasan

    hasan Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2006
    Ogden, IA
    There are hundreds, if not thousands of HR20-700 users who would disagree with you. The tuner ain't the greatest, but it beats not having it. I get all my local HD channels perfectly with either an HR20-100 or HR20-700. It takes some effort (more in some cases, less in others), but to say it might as well not be there is a gross exaggeration. I have helped others in my area with the HR20 and they are getting the same results I have.

    p.s. D* was thinking: Save money and headaches.

    Now, to be fair, D* maintains that they are going to provide a solution to those who need OTA (a real OTA tuner, not telling us that we will get HD-LIL via sat). I look forward to testing this solution, even though I don't currently need it, having two OTA capable D* DVRs.
  14. FHSPSU67

    FHSPSU67 CE'er & Retired Engineer DBSTalk Club

    Jan 12, 2007
    Windber, PA
    Me, too! I would be without NBC-HD and FOX-HD if not for OTA on HR20-700 (and previously HR20-100).
  15. gcisko

    gcisko I am Iron Man!

    Sep 27, 2006
    And since all the new channels D* is activating at MPEG4, it makes that box pretty much useless. Doesn't it?
  16. gcisko

    gcisko I am Iron Man!

    Sep 27, 2006
    Really. Do you actually have one so that you know this for sure?
  17. Mike728

    Mike728 Icon

    Oct 29, 2007
    It works great for OTA recordings. I just turned mine back on for this. I missed the DLB.
  18. Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 20, 2004
    Galactic Empire
    Word has it that in early 2008, DirecTV will introduce a USB external device that will enable OTA functionality on the HR21s.
  19. gully_foyle

    gully_foyle Hall Of Fame

    Jan 18, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Which is why one should keep the HD TiVo up and running for a mere $5, in addition to your new HR20/21. D* will even run the cables.

    Almost all non-movie HD is still on OTA networks. Of course, if it fails you either have to fix it yourself *cough*Instantcake*cough* of let D* replace it with something else.
  20. gully_foyle

    gully_foyle Hall Of Fame

    Jan 18, 2007
    Los Angeles
    NO. It records OTA just dandy, as well as all SD. If you bought an OTA recorder directly from TiVo not only would it only do OTA (no D* SD), but TiVo would charge you about $18 monthly. This is over 3 times as much as the $5 additional receiver charge that D* imposes.

    So, if you want a rock solid OTA TiVo and don't want to pay TiVo's very high fees, it is hardly useless. And only on DirecTV.
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