Uplink Activity for the week of 11-17-8....

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by JohnH, Nov 17, 2008.

  1. CorpITGuy

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    You won't hear me complaining, for sure! :) There was also some concern that OTA EPG would go away without the 1000.2 (and the spotbeam to it from 110). Apparently that data isn't on EA, so anything not carried by Dish wouldn't have programming data. That's a real problem for me, since I have OTA signals for NBC and Fox in my area (they haven't yet reached a deal with Dish to carry their HD signal).

    It's good to know that I'm not the only one with a piecemeal setup. :D
     
  2. James Long

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    I'm still a bit lost on this.

    The complete EPG includes the 14000 channels that serve as EPG for OTA subchannels not carried by DISH. Said EPG is available via Eastern Arc dishes. Is there some sort of switch that says "EPG isn't available unless one can see the satellite where the the EPG claims the channel is located"? It seems to be an unneeded limit. The data IS there and IS part of the streams on Eastern Arc. To throw it away seems odd.

    If EA people are not getting their subchannel EPG then DISH needs to mirror the appropriate 14000 channels over to an EA transponder (which would increase the EPG size) or turn off that "switch".

    Further thought on the matter: Three years ago my locals were on 105° and my neighboring market's locals were on 121°. I had a SuperDISH 105° for my locals. I could receive one OTA channel from the neighboring market (the rest were weak) and after adding said OTA channel to my receiver I received EPG data for that out of market station despite the fact that I did not have the satellite those channels were on connected to my system. So my thought is that the switch doesn't exist. Or at least it didn't three years ago.

    The data is there ... all DISH has to do is get their receivers to use it (if the receivers are not using it already).
     
  3. Bill R

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    I've read the rumor about the guide data too (can't remember if it was here or the other board). I don't think that it is true. I do know someone in my area that is entirely eastern arc. Last time I talked to him he didn't mention anything about missing guide data for the OTA locals (I'm sure he would have). By the way, the OTA guide data does not come via spot beams. It comes via "data channels" in the 14xxx and 15xxx range (not visible in the guide).

    With all the people that are going eastern arc only that would not make a lot of sense to not include all the data for their channels.
     
  4. CorpITGuy

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    Thanks, guys. I guess it doesn't really matter for me.... I live in a middle class subdivision and it doesn't matter if I have two dishes. I hope someone can confirm one way or another and post so we'll all know at some point. It sure would stink for folks in the EA if they had to keep two dishes in order to make their third device (OTA antenna) work properly.

    Edit: Oh, and Bill... it was on the other forum in the up-link report for 11-20 there.
     
  5. James Long

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    Looks like "fear" and not actual results.

    I disconnected my 119° and 110° feeds from my ViP-211, did a switch check leaving just 61.5°, 72° and 118° connected. After the EPG downloaded I have ALL of the digital subchannel EPGs for my market and still have the digital subchannel EPGs for the channel from the neighboring market mentioned in the post above.

    I'd be interested in seeing a post from someone who actually lost OTA EPG when moving to EA ... at this point it seems that the fear is unfounded and my test CONFIRMS that one will still get OTA EPG for suchannels via EA (as long as their locals are active on EA and are subscribed to).
     
  6. James Long

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    WPTA in the second picture is the out of market OTA station.
    FTWW was my name for their .2 channel when they were airing weather on that feed.
     
  7. Bill R

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    James,

    From your screen shot I surmise that you normally have a 5 slot setup using a DPP-44 and a DP-21. I did not know that you could do that (cascade the DPP-44 with a DP-21). Are you doing that on only two or three ports (since the power inserter is connected to port one) or all four ports (with the power inserter in front of the DP-21)?
     
  8. James Long

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    I have only done it with two ports off of my DPP44 ... right now I am only doing it on one port.

    Currently: Input 1 is 119°, Input 2 is 110°, Input 3 is 61.5° and Input 4 is 72°
    118° is fed to two DP-21s via the appropriate splitter.
    Output 1 is fed through the power inserter to a 301.
    Output 2 is fed directly to a 501.
    Output 3 is fed via the DP-21 to the ViP-211 shown.
    Output 4 is fed directly to my ViP-622 DVR.
    The second DP-21 is out of service.

    My system has changed several times. For nearly a year the 301 was unplugged, which meant just the power inserter was there. I can't remember all of the combinations I have had (with a SuperDish 105° and the 129° feed from my Dish1000+ thrown into the mix at times).

    I have a Dish 1000.4 coming that I plan on making the primary input to my ViP-622 and ViP-211, feeding 110° into the "input" of the 1000.4 LNB so I can keep the PI channels there. The 301 and 501 will remain on the DPP44 for now (and lose 61.5°). The 301 and 501 see so little use I probably should just remove them from the account.
     
  9. P Smith

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    Four years [8/5/04] ago mike123abc did that - " Mad Scientist Hooks up 5 Satellite Locations!!!! ".
     
  10. JohnH

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    Many of those "data channels" are only on spotbeams in the WA.

    The data is in the EEPG.

    Nice to hear it may actually work. though.
     
  11. Bill R

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    Thanks John. I haven't paid much attention to where the "data channels" actually were. I just know that before ours were added we didn't have EPG listings for our OTA channels.
     
  12. James Long

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    I've seen it work. :D
    See posts above from my ViP-211. I'm getting subchannel data on a system with just 72° and 61.5° - even for an out of market station that isn't EA at all.
     
  13. CorpITGuy

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    Thanks James. It's good to see that work.
     
  14. Donp

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    I just ordered a wing dish for the 77 sat. Dish told me I would loose my SD locals until my wing dish was installed next Thursday. However I watch channels in the adjacent DMA With an OTA and I have lost all my EPG data for those channels too. Will I get back that EPG for the adajacent DMA when I get the 77 Dish installed?
     
  15. James Long

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    Yes ... when your locals are turned back on you should get all the EPG back.
     
  16. Donp

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    Thanks
     
  17. DJ Lon

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    Does Boomerang even have a west feed?
     

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