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Uplink Activity for the Week of 5-30-11

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by James Long, Jun 1, 2011.

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  1. juan ellitinez

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    Its souped up DSL
     
  2. SeaBeagle

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    I am too far from the phone companies switching office to even have DSL.
     
  3. Paul Secic

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    If you can't get DSL you certainly can't get Uverse. Anyway Dish is much better!
     
  4. Stewart Vernon

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    No, it really isn't... unless you consider DSL to be souped-up dial-up.. in which case everything is just "souped-up" something lower.

    U-Verse is fibre to your neighborhood, then copper to the house for the short run. The result is they (at the moment) can give up to 24Mbps download and 2Mbps upload...

    The video, though, shares the same bandwidth... so you are limited on the amount of channels you could be watching differently at a given time + watching TV affects your internet speed obviously... so it's really not a good idea for someone who wants more flexibility with their TV and also likes to use high-speed internet when doing TV things.
     
  5. juan ellitinez

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    I have news for you..DSL is also fiber to the neighborhood. The phone company (can) run fiber to a remote terminal and then it becomes DSL between the terminal and the customer. Uverse is service that rides on DSL. The DSL you are thinking of is the original version that came straight from the CO. I know Verizon has DSL availible at 10Mbps.
     
  6. scooper

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    Juan - I believe Stewart has Uverse Internet....
     
  7. Stewart Vernon

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    DSL is NOT necessarily (and in many cases definitely isn't) fiber to the neighborhood within AT&T country. I'll limit my statements to that, because I can't speak for Verizon or anyone else. Before U-verse was made available where I live, AT&T had to run new fiber optic cables to your neighborhood.

    If we drill down to the specs... you might technically be correct to refer to U-Verse as "DSL" since it is a faster version essentially... but as I said, that would be true if you compared the old DSL to ISDN or dial-up.

    HDTV is just "souped up" SDTV after all, isn't it?

    Saying that U-verse is "just souped up DSL" really doesn't tell anyone anything useful.

    I had 6Mbps DSL from AT&T until I switched over to 18Mbps U-Verse.

    So while you might want to say it is "souped up"... I'm happy with 3x the speed I was able to get from my old DSL connection.

    Of course the TV U-verse is then riding on that internet service... which is why I recommend it for phone/internet but NOT for TV... since I want my high-speed internet to just be high-speed internet.
     
  8. James Long

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    I have a telco fiber node in the basement where I work. Off of that node the telco provides the business with several PRIs, a few data circuits and a couple hundred copper pairs for voice lines. It is all telephone, no television or Internet (the data connections are leased links). I would not consider that fiber to the premises ... they just happen to have the node in the basement. They are not delivering fiber to the business, they are delivering traditional PRIs, ISDN and B1 voice lines.

    DSL ... the "digital subscriber line" ... is traditionally piggybacked on a copper voice line. With deregulation many have been able to drop the voice line and keep the DSL. It is basically a "souped up" dial-up modem service. Listen on an unfiltered phone when you reset your DSL modem and you may hear it negotiate the connection.

    Running literally miles of copper to serve neighborhoods is expensive ... it is much better to replace the copper trunks back to the CO with fiber or to install fiber pops in new developments instead of running new copper. As telco's replace old wires the customer's copper keeps getting shorter. Shorter copper runs make it easier to provide higher DSL speeds ... many providers have taken advantage of that in their competition with other HSI providers.

    AT&T's offering seems to be a combination of branding and bundling. They are, basically, providing a "final mile" copper service. But they are using VDSL instead of ADSL signaling (technical) and unlike DSL the content carried on the lines is not a simple data connection but includes (if one desires) television and digital phone service (marketing!).

    As Stewart originally noted, everything is a souped up version of what came before - but there are key differences in the uVerse service that make it more than simply making DSL faster.
     

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