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US Congress woman in critical condition as shooting erupts during meet and greet!

Discussion in 'The OT' started by cj9788, Jan 8, 2011.

  1. trh

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    This "church" isn't protesting the war. They are an anti-gay church and maintain that God is punishing us because of our lax morals. So they've been to a number of military funerals and even protested the funeral of Elizabeth Edwards.

    Wikipedia has a good page on this "church".

    In reference to the security (or no security), the local Sheriff said it isn't typical to provide security unless asked and that they weren't even aware of the event. I know my US Representative has a number of events like this one and I've never seen security.
     
  2. James Long

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    My congressman visited a middle school a couple of days ago, with a police escort. Hopefully that won't happen too often. Regular public events (town halls and political meetings) usually have officers present. Most of the "drop in" events are not publicized in advance (factory visits and such) and officers are usually there.

    I'm surprised that there were not officers at the Arizona event ... especially with the history of violence in Arizona (congressional offices attacked).
     
  3. Glen_D

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    I'm surprised, too.

    I've never been to an event where a National elected official was present, but I've been to several local community meetings over the years that featured a local or State official as one of the speakers, often greeting attendees at the door. I think there has always been at least one uniformed peace officer present at these events. I don't think it's so much a threat of a violent outbreak, but more for crowd control, and the possibility that a verbally belligerent attendee might disrupt the meeting. Haven't seen that happen at any of the events I've been to, though.
     
  4. BobaBird

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    Thanks for the link, trh. The clarification has left me more confused than before. Some people... :nono2:
     
  5. trh

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    I too don't know how this "church" can link their anti-gay crusade to protesting military funerals with signs that say "Thank God for dead soldiers." The group is comprised of mostly family members -- maybe too much inbreeding?
     
  6. klang

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    Regarding security, I just thought it would have been SOP for most public figures. It's sad, but it is the world we live in and it's been this way for a while.
     
  7. James Long

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    (CNN) -- U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords plans to attend the launch of the space shuttle Endeavour next month -- a little more than three months after she was shot in the head outside a Tucson, Arizona, supermarket -- her spokesman said.

    Giffords' husband, Capt. Mark Kelly, will command the shuttle. After spending the days after the shooting at his wife's hospital bedside, he decided in February that would continue his assignment as the mission commander. At the time, Giffords' spokesman C.J. Karamargin said the Arizona Democrat "fully understands" that her husband is flying the shuttle and supports his decision.

    "I have every intention for her to be at the launch," Kelly said then.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/10/arizona.giffords.launch/index.html
     
  8. wilbur_the_goose

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    James - great news! Thanks for sharing.
     
  9. cj9788

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    TUCSON, Ariz. – The man accused of gunning down Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killing six is mentally incompetent to stand trial, a judge ruled Wednesday after U.S. Marshals dragged the man out of the courtroom because of an angry outburst.

    As survivors of the deadly January attack looked on, Jared Lee Loughner lowered his head, raised it and said what sounded like "Thank you for the freak show. She died in front of me." His words were loud but mumbled, and it wasn't clear who he was talking about. He wore a khaki prison suit and sported bushy, reddish sideburns.

    U.S. District Judge Larry Burns' decision means the 21-year-old will be sent to a federal facility for up to four months in a bid to restore his competency.
     
  10. sigma1914

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    What a load of crap! I can understand excusing someone with a real mental disability like DS, but people like this shouldn't be let off. Let this scum fry! :)
     
  11. Earl Bonovich

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    He is not being let off...

    He is being sent to a medical facility, so he can get mentally competent... to face the trial... which by all means he will be found guilty of multiple counts.

    Just delay's the inevitable.
     
  12. sigma1914

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    What if the facility can't "fix" him?
     
  13. Earl Bonovich

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    They he stays in a facility for the rest of his life. (Sadly costing the government more money then if he was in a prison)

    Either way, he will pretty much never enjoy "freedom" again.
     
  14. machavez00

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    This why I was hoping Arizona got to try him. We have "guilty, but insane" He goes to mental institution, then off to prison once he "OK" The insanity defense is rarely used now.
     
  15. Tom Robertson

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    Actually this is very similar to "Guilty but insane" in that he can't go free until he's tried. And he can't be tried until he's "sane enough".

    Cheers,
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  16. Stewart Vernon

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    Exactly... I don't like to see people get away with violent crimes by using an insanity defense when they knew what they were doing... but at the same time some violent crimes arguably are only committed by the insane... so it's a tightrope to watch.

    I don't think of it as "getting away" with something as much as I do finding proper punishment. IF someone is insane and unable to help themselves... I would like to see them helped first... and then determine guilt or innocence and proper punishment at that time.

    If nothing else, it may help to identify and help the next insane person before he commits a violent crime.
     
  17. James Long

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    Guilty but mentally ill is a decent verdict. The criminal stays in a secure mental hospital until they are well enough to be placed in the prison for their sentence. I believe that is what Arizona has.

    Not guilty by reason of insanity is the one people don't like. The criminal stays in the mental hospital until well and is then released. That is where John Hinkley is now ... although I seriously doubt that he will ever be found "well".

    Loughner is not ready to be tried ... but he isn't going free.
     
  18. cj9788

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    On June 17, 2009, a Federal judge ruled that Hinckley would be given the ability to visit his mother for a dozen visits of ten days at a time, rather than six, spend more time outside of the hospital, and even have a driver's license.[25] The court also ordered that Hinckley be required to carry a GPS-enabled cell phone to track him whenever he was outside of his parent's home, and he was forbidden to speak to the news media.[26] This was done over the objections of the prosecutors who said that he was still a danger to others and had unhealthy and inappropriate thoughts about women. Records show that he has had sexual relations with two women, one who was married for a long time and another who has bipolar disorder. Hinckley recorded a song titled "Ballad of an Outlaw", which the prosecutors claim is "reflecting suicide and lawlessness."[27]
     
  19. scooper

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    I think the whole concept on "mentally incompetent to stand trial" is a crock - since by definition only the mentally ill (or worse) would do these crimes.
     
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    This is different from Hinckley though. He stood trial and was found not guilty by reason of insanity.
     

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