USA Today Article Slams DISH

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  1. bobukcat

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    I think any reports of E*'s demise are seriously premature, they are very stable and, while things may not be going their way right now, they were the leader in technology and HD for a long time, it's just swung the other way right now.

    When I read articles or posts saying they are doomed I always picture Charlie as John Wayne in "Big Jake":

    Bad Guy: "I thought you were dead."

    The Duke: "Not Hardly!" :box:
     
  2. phrelin

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    Sure it's premature. Sure they lead in technology - and HD is just a matter of time. Dish Network, a retail company, doesn't lead in marketing skills. That's a serious long-term problem.

    But I am not considering leaving after 20 years and won't, unless a week from Friday SciFi HD has not been turned on.;)
     
  3. bidger

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    DISH didn't hit the market until 1996.
     
  4. TulsaOK

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    Echostar has been around since 1980.
     
  5. JohnL

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    Quite correct, although before 1996 all Echostar hardware was BUD (Big Ugly Dish) or C-Band receive Dish's to use signals from other providers satellites. These BUD's were 8 to 12 foot dishes.

    In 1996 Echostar Launched their own Satellites and started Dish Network service on High Power Ku-Band DBS frequencies, by signing agreements to retransmit other companies content on their own satellites to Dish Network subscribers.

    John
     
  6. Richard King

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    Echostar has been bundling programming packages for the BUD (Big Useful Dish) since about 1990 (or so). While a person could have been a hardware customer for more than 20 years, they couldn't have been a programming customer before "about" 1990 (or so).
     
  7. Clarkson TV & Appliance

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    I don't know where some of you people get your info. 1) You CAN have your DirecTV installed by a local retailer and STILL bundle. 2) Dish does cater to the value customer, and does NOT care about you once you have signed. One thing is true, both companies have lousy "professional installers" They are no more than glorified cable runners. Some of us in the industry still care about doing quality installs for our customers.
     
  8. bills

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    i agree with you on cable runers,both companys do have installers who know what they are doing,but are in a minority,most just don't have a clue. just my opinion....regards
     
  9. Jim5506

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    Both dish and Direct are under market pressures.

    They could hire well trained, skilled satellite dish installers, but the general public will not pay for them.

    So, we get what we ask for and deserve, installers who don't know anything about the product, they just cut and patch cables.

    After a while skilled installers get so frustrated with the corporate beaurocracy that they move on.
     
  10. paja

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    When I switched to DISH last Feb. the installer who came out did a neat professional job. I have had zero problems since the system was put in.
     
  11. TulsaOK

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    Yes, I've been a Dish customer since May, 1996.
     
  12. phrelin

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    Sorry I haven't been around here much this weekend.

    Yes Dish didn't hit the market until 1996. But I did become an Echostar customer in 1988 - big old C-band dish with an Echostar box. Didn't change to "Dish" until 1998 when my second box died and I was going to have to take the Dish down soon for building repairs anyway.

    My heart's with Echostar, the technology company, not Dish Network the retailer. And 20 years is a long relationship with a brand.

    I don't like retailers such as the Comcasts and "New" ATTs of the world. I am afraid that Dish Network is becoming one of the latter, perhaps not by choice. I guess I still long for the "old" AT&T with its Bell Labs.

    The thing about Dish Network is that if it's going to compete in an iPod world, IMHO it needs an effective professional marketing/pr opearation that deals 24/7 with every media problem and takes advantage of every media opportunity.

    Over the long haul, Echostar doesn't need that kind of media orientation. And I fear Dish Network will be compromised by Echostar's management orientation.
     
  13. phrelin

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    From Media Daily News.

    The new retailer Dish Network, along with the new Echostar, continues to project its outdated "pioneering" image which is irrelevant to retail. Echostar continues its effective pioneering technology path by spending $711 million on sizable amounts of spectrum in the government’s 700-Megahertz wireless spectrum auction.

    Unfortunately, my provider is Dish Network, not Echostar. When Dish Network becomes "not-so-profitable" because it isn't spending enough on image-creation marketing, who is Charlie going to sell us to when he goes into some satellite-based 700-Megahertz wireless innovative program?

    I know I'm paranoid, but that doesn't mean he isn't out to sell me to get capital to do some fun stuff.:mad:
     
  14. mattfast1

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    JohnL, very correct. Except, as you said yourself, prior to 1996 there WAS no Dish. There was DirecTV, and there was satellite TV (C-band, et al.).

    There are still some BUDs in existance - mostly in non-CONUS (continuous US) areas.
     
  15. phrelin

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    Actually, in our area of Northern California there are still a number of BUDs, including one on my neighbor's roof blocking my sunlight (grumble, grumble, grumble). At least mine was mounted on a deck so that the only person who complained to me for 10 years about it being ugly was my wife.:sure:
     
  16. James Long

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    I was not aware that anyone had done a count lately. Are you referring to home customers subscribing via Big Useful Dishes or just taking a random guess based on what you see out your window?


    (Definition of BUD stolen from Richard King because I like it!)
     
  17. phrelin

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    Love that definition. One could keep busy just exploring what signals were on at any point in time.
     
  18. Paul Secic

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    In retrospect I should have waited another year to buy a HD set. Oh well....
     
  19. James Long

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    Hopefully sometime in the next year you will see something on one of the channels you get that will make it all worth not waiting.
     
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