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"V" starts in November

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by Rich, Oct 3, 2009.

  1. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    I had been very excited about this series but ABC spends so much time promoting it that I think I'm sick of it already.
     
  2. Henry

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    I read that after 4 episodes, the series will go into hiatus. Not exactly giving it much hope, are they?
     
  3. armophob

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

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    When do they do that? I never see it.:D
     
  4. sorentodd45

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    During Flash Forward. And I think I saw a promo during The Middle.
     
  5. Stewart Vernon

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    I see promos on ESPN during football.
     
  6. JmC

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    The first several minutes of V can be seen here.
     
  7. jhollan2

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    I saw a 2 page pull out ad in one of my "girl rags" (as the bf calls them). I cant remember which one... but it was on different paper and was complete with individual stickers that I guess you could put on stuff... although I dont know why you'd want to! They said "I support v" and "we come in peace" etc. I'm pretty sure it was last week's mailing...
     
  8. bicker1

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    Probably that dead air is unacceptable.

    If "V" cannot place #2 against NCIS, then it doesn't deserve more than four episodes.

    Move Hank and The Middle where? Up against NCIS? They might as well cancel them. Not that I'm adverse to canceling them, but if they going to cancel them, then see my earlier comment about dead air.
     
  9. bicker1

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    I think that that's the reality for every new show: Every new show has a chance to capture our attention in their first four episodes, and if they cannot, then they probably don't deserve any further chances. The number of shows that could manage to become successes after a bad start is very small compared to the number of shows that would remain failures if left on the air despite a bad start. So with "V", they're simply being more up-front about it. Hope has nothing to do with the scheduling though. It's four episodes in November sweeps -- that should be viewed as a sign of confidence. (Think about Dollhouse, eh? ... removed from the schedule for November sweeps.) If "V" does well, then it will be back. So that puts the burden on us, collectively. Let's see if we do our part...
     
  10. phrelin

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    OK, since we're talking about hypothetical "what might have beens".:D

    There are about 10± million folks who watch broadcast network TV at 8 p.m. Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday who aren't watching on Wednesday but who did show up in the ratings this week when the World Series was on.

    All I'm saying is that from the first announcements of the Fall Season, it was obvious Wednesday was the weakest night for competition. It was the night to gamble on scifi and fantasy. "FlashForward" is a scifi crime procedural. IMHO on Wednesday ABC could have led in the night by drawing and holding the missing 8+ million crime procedural audience creating a 15+ million audience at 8 pm and held many of them going into "V" (if it's any good) and might have even beaten "Leno" with "Eastwick" at 10 pm.

    The current average viewership at 8 pm on Tuesday is as follows:

    Total 43.4 million

    CBS 18.7 million
    Fox 8.2 million
    NBC 8.1 million
    ABC 6.3 million
    CW 2.1 million

    The current average viewership at 8 pm on Wednesday excluding this week:

    Total 30.7 million

    NBC 7.3 million
    CBS 7.3 million
    Fox 6.7 million
    ABC 6.2 million
    CW 3.2 million

    I could easily see "V" having 15+ million viewers on Wednesday by adding 8-9 million viewers to ABC's current audience. To be second on Tuesday is to have 9 million viewers tops. Tuesday will barely pay the bills for "V". Wednesday would actually make money for ABC.
    Move "Hank" and "The Middle" to Tuesday 8 pm there's a fair chance they'll get the same viewership that ABC gets on both nights right now - 6+ million. I admit that on Wednesday it is true that "The Middle" picks up a about 0.3 million viewers who ignore "Hank." But if you're going to cancel a show for under 7 million viewers, it really doesn't matter what day you run out the episodes. "Hank" is dead and "The Middle" has been picked up.

    Personally, I could have seen the following lineup for ABC on Wednesday:

    8 pm "FlashForward"
    9 pm "V"
    10 pm "Eastwick"

    And for Thursday:

    8:00 pm "Modern Family"
    8:30 pm "Cougar Town"
    9:00 pm "Gray's Anatomy"
    10:00 pm "Private Practice"

    I would have saved "Hank" and "The Middle" for Tuesday after "Shark Tank" ended.

    Instead, I predict that the Tuesday ratings for "V" will be #2 but will never get bragging rights except maybe the premier night.

    Of course, I could be wrong.
     
  11. Rich

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    My God, Hank was unbelievably bad. We tried and tried and gave up this week and deleted the SL. Did that to Middle a week before that.

    How could Kelsey Grammer let himself get sucked into a show like that? I believe that he could carry a show by himself with a good cast and good writing, but he had neither this time around. By "good cast'', I mean Niles, Daphne, Dad and Eddie. Bring back Frazier!

    Rich
     
  12. bicker1

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    It sounded like you were starting to suggest that "V" should be about aliens who play baseball. ;)

    This is the crux of this portion of your reply. You're essentially putting your industry savvy up against people who are actually paid obscene amount of money because they're good at that sort of thing. Of course, you could be right and they could be wrong, but the smart money wouldn't bet that way.

    That doesn't make financial sense for the production companies that produce Hank and The Middle. You're trying to make business decisions without full information about what the financial arrangements between the network and the production companies were.
     
  13. bicker1

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    I believe Grammer had more control over the quality of Hank than the network did.
     
  14. phrelin

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    My savvy is worth every penny I'm paid.:D
     
  15. Supramom2000

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    I just discovered this is going to screw up my entire ToDo list!! Since I am on the west coast, Sons of Anarchy airs its original program at 7:00 pm and runs until 8:01 (I hate these over-runs!!!!!). Now V and NCIS are set to record at 8:00. One of them cannot just because of 1 single minute over-run. The next airing of Sons of Anarchy is at 8:01 which obviously cannot record as NCIS and V are going. Then we have the 10:01 airing but I have The Forgotten and The Good Wife. No luck on Tuesday. Next we have Friday at 8:00. No-go. I have Smallville and Ghost Whisperer. I think I finally found a Sunday one that might work, but I will have to check further.

    Crazy!!
     
  16. phrelin

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    From Variety:
     
  17. phrelin

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    According to the ratings at TVbytheNumbers the "V" premier added about 7 million mostly younger viewers to the 8 pm slot for ABC plus took about 3% of the viewers away from each of the other networks. Or to put it another way, NCIS still had 19.04 million viewers down from its October non-rerun October average of 19.73, while the "V" series premier scored 13.76 million for ABC compared to the October average for "Shark Tank" of 5.52 million.

    The situation for ABC now is that the 4 episode showing then making people wait until spring for the remaining 9 episodes may be a bit of a problem. I assume they are doing this to avoid putting it up against both new "NCIS" episodes and "American Idol" which would be a death slot for the show.
     
  18. bicker1

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    Keep in mind that they had to temporarily cease production of the show.
     
  19. phrelin

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    Yep, when you take my last two posts together you know there is a problem. So, I assume by "Spring" they don't mean 8 pm Tuesdays in the March sweeps period when "AI" and "NCIS" will be going head-to-head together getting 80% of the viewers. If ABC is counting on "V" to give them a ratings coup then, well you know I see that as a sentence of death for "V" which is expensive to produce.
     
  20. barryb

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    I watched it and gave it a "meh".

    It was okay for me at best.
     

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